2025-26 regular season · October 17, 2025 · OT
No betting line for this game, so there is no before-puck-drop or fresh-game number.
Lightning at Red Wings, Oct 17, 2025: who deserved to win?
The Red Wings beat the Lightning 2–1, but the replays call it close to a coin flip: with the way both teams played, the Red Wings win 5 of 10. Luck ran their way: overtime alone was worth 49 points of win probability to the Red Wings.
The biggest swing (OT): the Red Wings won in overtime, worth 49 points of win probability to the Red Wings.
Final (OT)
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Replay with same day's form
Luck index +54 Red Wings lucky · −54 Lightning
Each team’s own shots from this game, resampled into new games 4,000 times, each a goal at its chance, with the power plays the penalties gave and the pulled goalie at the end: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Lightning win 5, Red Wings win 5.
- 1 TBL 5 DET 1
- 2 TBL 3 DET 0
- 3 TBL 3 DET 1
- 4 TBL 3 DET 2
- 5 TBL 4 DET 3
- 6 TBL 3 DET 4
- 7 TBL 3 DET 4
- 8 TBL 2 DET 4
- 9 TBL 5 DET 7
- 10 TBL 2 DET 5
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before puck drop
No closing line for this game.
Same teams, fresh game
Needs the closing line, which this game has not got.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every shot redrawn at its chance, overtime and the shootout replayed as near coin flips; the shots themselves and every call fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000.2 replays ended
Lightning win 54% of them, Red Wings 46%. The line is what actually happened: Red Wings by 1.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Lightning by 3+ | 23.1% |
| Lightning by 2 | 10.4% |
| Lightning by 1 | 20.6% |
| Red Wings by 1 | 21.1% |
| Red Wings by 2 | 9.5% |
| Red Wings by 3+ | 15.4% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A post hit in a blowout counts for nothing; the same post with a minute left in a tie game can be most of a win.
| Shooting | Unblocked attempts | Goals | Expected goals | Above expected |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 48 | 1 | 2.97 | −1.97 | |
| 44 | 1 | 2.56 | −1.56 |
Regulation with both goalies in. Expected goals: our model of each shot’s chance from where and how it was taken (distance, angle, shot type, rebound, rush, strength), adjusted for the shooter’s and the goalie’s records. A team above expected finished better or met a weaker night in goal; 75% of the gap counts as luck (why that share).
Calls
Every penalty that put a team on the power play, and every goal taken off the board on review, with what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment. Calls don’t count toward luck by default: who draws penalties repeats from game to game like a skill (how calls are valued). Switch them on below.
| When | Call | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| P1 11:07 | High sticking on the Red Wings (Jacob Bernard-Docker): 2 minutes on the power play | +4% TBL |
| P2 19:39 | Delaying game puck over glass on the Red Wings (Axel Sandin-Pellikka): 2 minutes on the power play | +4% TBL |
| P2 14:51 | Roughing on the Lightning (Yanni Gourde): 2 minutes on the power play | +4% DET |
| P2 4:44 | Holding on the Red Wings (Michael Brandsegg-Nygård): 2 minutes on the power play | +4% TBL |
| P2 2:32 | Slashing on the Lightning (Anthony Cirelli): 2 minutes on the power play | +4% DET |
| P3 15:56 | Delaying game puck over glass on the Lightning (Conor Geekie): 2 minutes on the power play | +5% DET |
When it happened
Red Wings’ chance of winning
Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | P1 6:58 | Axel Sandin-Pellikka scored on a wrist shot from 52 feetShooting · 2% chance | +17% DET | – |
| 2 | P2 1:18 | James van Riemsdyk’s snap shot from 6 feet was savedShooting · 32% chance | +5% TBL | – |
| 3 | P3 15:56 | Delaying game puck over glass on the Lightning (Conor Geekie): 2 minutes on the power playPenalty calls | +5% DET | – |
| 4 | P3 12:21 | Jake Guentzel missed the net with a slap shot from 15 feetShooting · 19% chance | +6% DET | – |
| 5 | P3 9:25 | Jack Finley’s tip from 5 feet was savedShooting · 16% chance | +5% DET | – |
| 6 | P3 9:24 | Jack Finley’s wrist shot from 3 feet was savedShooting · 36% chance | +12% DET | – |
| 7 | P3 3:43 | J.J. Moser scored on a slap shot from 55 feetShooting · 2% chance | +39% TBL | – |
| 8 | OT | The Red Wings won in overtimeOvertime · overtime is close to a coin flip | +49% DET | – |
Adjust the assumptions
Think finishing is more skill than we do, or that the calls were luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Lightning 57% · Red Wings 43%
- Final margin
- Red Wings by 1
- Luck in goals
- 1.3 for the Red Wings
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Lightning by 0.3
- Replay with same day's form
- Lightning 54% · Red Wings 46% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play from the NHL via fastRhockey; expected goals, in-game win probability and the replays are our own models, fitted on every game since 2018-19 (methodology and validation). Blocked shots aren’t replayed (their location is the block’s, not the shot’s). No betting line for this game, so there is no before-puck-drop or fresh-game number.
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