Week 3 2025 · September 11, 2025
NC State at Wake Forest, Week 3 2025: who deserved to win?
NC State beat Wake Forest 34–24, but the replays call it close to a coin flip: with the way both teams played, NC State wins 4 of 10. Luck ran its way: 3rd & 4th downs alone were worth 8 points of win probability to NC State.
Before kickoff NC State was a 69% favorite. The biggest swing (Q1, 1:19 left): Return touchdown by NC State, worth 19 points of win probability to NC State.
Final
| 34 | |
| 24 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +60 NC State lucky · −60 Wake Forest
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. NC State wins 4, Wake Forest wins 6.
- 1 NCSU 21 WAKE 0
- 2 NCSU 27 WAKE 14
- 3 NCSU 17 WAKE 10
- 4 NCSU 20 WAKE 17
- 5 NCSU 21 WAKE 24
- 6 NCSU 14 WAKE 19
- 7 NCSU 3 WAKE 13
- 8 NCSU 14 WAKE 27
- 9 NCSU 12 WAKE 30
- 10 NCSU 20 WAKE 47
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
NC State wins 40% of them, Wake Forest 60%, counting the 5% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: NC State by 10.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| NC State by 17+ | 8.5% |
| NC State by 9–16 | 11.6% |
| NC State by 1–8 | 15.8% |
| Level after regulation | 5.1% |
| Wake Forest by 1–8 | 21.8% |
| Wake Forest by 9–16 | 16.6% |
| Wake Forest by 17+ | 20.6% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance), and what happened.
- C. Calvert, 28 yds made · 87% expected
- K. Vinesett, 24 yds made · 91% expected
- K. Vinesett, 38 yds made · 76% expected
Penalties: NC State 9 for 84 yards, Wake Forest 8 for 82 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count toward luck, pre-snap fouls mostly don’t. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 14:48 | Unsportsmanlike Conduct on NC State, 15 yards | +13% WAKE +2.1 pts |
| Q1 14:44 | False Start on NC State, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% WAKE +0.8 pts |
| Q1 8:29 | Horse Collar Tackle on NC State, 4 yards | +2% WAKE +1.0 pts |
| Q1 8:26 | False Start on Wake Forest, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% NCSU +1.1 pts |
| Q1 4:54 | Holding on NC State, 10 yards | +2% WAKE +0.9 pts |
| Q1 0:43 | Holding on Wake Forest, 10 yards | +5% NCSU +2.2 pts |
| Q2 13:10 | Offside on NC State, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% WAKE +0.6 pts |
| Q3 10:56 | Holding on Wake Forest, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +7% NCSU +2.2 pts |
| Q3 9:31 | Pass Interference on Wake Forest, 15 yards | +3% NCSU +1.1 pts |
| Q3 2:15 | Unsportsmanlike Conduct on NC State, 15 yards | +3% WAKE +0.9 pts |
| Q4 14:29 | Pass Interference on Wake Forest, 12 yards | +6% NCSU +1.7 pts |
| Q4 11:07 | Roughing the Passer on Wake Forest, 15 yards | +2% NCSU +1.6 pts |
| Q4 11:07 | Holding on NC State, 10 yards | +2% WAKE +1.4 pts |
| Q4 7:12 | Illegal Formation on NC State, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% WAKE +1.1 pts |
| Q4 5:52 | Holding on Wake Forest, 10 yards | +1% NCSU +1.0 pts |
| Q4 5:10 | Personal Foul on NC State, 15 yards | +3% WAKE +2.9 pts |
| Q4 4:00 | Running Into the Kicker on Wake Forest, 5 yards | +1% NCSU +2.2 pts |
When it happened
Wake Forest’s chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 67%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 14:48 | Unsportsmanlike Conduct on NC State, 15 yardsJudgment calls | +13% WAKE | WAKE: Punt |
| 2 | Q1 14:04 | NC State converted 3rd & 123rd & 4th downs · 25% expected | +6% NCSU | NCSU: Punt |
| 3 | Q1 1:19 | Return touchdown by NC StateSpecial teams | +19% NCSU | NCSU: Punt |
| 4 | Q3 10:56 | Holding on Wake Forest, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +7% NCSU | NCSU: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q3 3:29 | NC State converted 3rd & 113rd & 4th downs · 27% expected | +8% NCSU | NCSU: Punt |
| 6 | Q3 2:15 | NC State was stopped on 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 29% expectedUnsportsmanlike Conduct on NC State, 15 yardsJudgment calls | +7% WAKE | NCSU: Punt |
| 7 | Q4 14:29 | Pass Interference on Wake Forest, 12 yardsJudgment calls | +6% NCSU | NCSU: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 12:37 | NC State converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 36% expected | +7% NCSU | NCSU: Field goal |
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
NC State 92% · Wake Forest 8%
- Final margin
- NC State by 10
- Luck in points
- 1.8 for NC State
- Luck-adjusted margin
- NC State by 8.2
- Replay with same day's form
- NC State 40% · Wake Forest 60% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and expected points from CollegeFootballData.com via cfbfastR; win probability from our own model of the score, the possession and the betting line; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record. College play-by-play has no charting of drops or interception-worthy throws and no injury reports, so those kinds of luck aren’t counted here.
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