Week 15 2024 · December 15, 2024
Commanders at Saints, Week 15 2024: who deserved to win?
The Commanders beat the Saints 20–19, and the replays lean their way: with the same day's form, they win 6 of 10. The Saints had the bounces: kicks alone were worth 13 points of win probability to the Saints.
Before kickoff the Commanders were 71% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 0:00 left): the Saints’ two-point try failed, worth 43 points of win probability to the Commanders.
Final
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Replay with same day's form
Luck index +36 Commanders lucky · −36 Saints
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Commanders win 6, Saints win 4.
- 1 WAS 31 NO 10
- 2 WAS 23 NO 7
- 3 WAS 24 NO 14
- 4 WAS 17 NO 10
- 5 WAS 7 NO 3
- 6 WAS 13 NO 10
- 7 WAS 17 NO 19
- 8 WAS 14 NO 19
- 9 WAS 20 NO 30
- 10 WAS 14 NO 31
Your call
Did the Commanders earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Commanders win 64% of them, Saints 36%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Commanders by 1.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Commanders by 17+ | 14.4% |
| Commanders by 9–16 | 20.2% |
| Commanders by 1–8 | 29.0% |
| Level after regulation | 2.5% |
| Saints by 1–8 | 19.6% |
| Saints by 9–16 | 10.3% |
| Saints by 17+ | 4.0% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- G. Joseph, 23 yds made · 98% expected
- G. Joseph, 41 yds made · 88% expected
- B. Grupe, 41 yds made · 88% expected
- B. Grupe, 51 yds made · 71% expected
- G. Joseph, 54 yds missed · 63% expected
Penalties: Commanders 9 for 84 yards, Saints 4 for 36 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 13:37 | Offensive Holding on the Saints, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +9% WAS +2.8 pts |
| Q1 7:57 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Saints (Payton Turner), 13 yards | +8% WAS +2.4 pts |
| Q1 6:37 | Illegal Shift on the Commanders (Olamide Zaccheaus), 4 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +3% NO +1.4 pts |
| Q1 5:58 | Offensive Holding on the Commanders, 10 yards | +2% NO +1.4 pts |
| Q2 13:12 | Offensive Holding on the Commanders (Dyami Brown), 10 yards | +3% NO +0.8 pts |
| Q2 10:43 | Offensive Holding on the Commanders (Brian Robinson Jr.), 10 yards | +2% NO +1.2 pts |
| Q3 6:43 | False Start on the Saints, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% WAS +0.7 pts |
| Q3 1:39 | False Start on the Commanders, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% NO +0.7 pts |
| Q4 14:04 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Commanders (Benjamin St-Juste), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +5% NO +1.9 pts |
| Q4 12:05 | Roughing the Passer on the Commanders (Dante Fowler), 15 yards | +3% NO +0.5 pts |
| Q4 8:19 | Offensive Holding on the Saints, 8 yards | +2% WAS +0.7 pts |
| Q4 8:02 | Roughing the Passer on the Commanders (Dante Fowler), 15 yards | +2% NO +0.9 pts |
| Q4 2:27 | Offensive Holding on the Commanders, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +5% NO +3.0 pts |
Commanders penalties, every game · Saints penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Saints’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 57%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 13:37 | Offensive Holding on the Saints, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +9% WAS | WAS: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 7:57 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Saints (Payton Turner), 13 yardsJudgment calls · 6 flags in 828 snaps before, position avg 1 per 297 | +8% WAS | WAS: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 13:12 | The Commanders were stopped on 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 30% expectedOffensive Holding on the Commanders (Dyami Brown), 10 yardsJudgment calls · 5 flags in 1458 snaps before, position avg 1 per 409 | +6% NO | WAS: Punt |
| 4 | Q4 7:13 | The Saints got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · defenses catch 56% of interception-worthy throws | +8% NO | NO: Field goal |
| 5 | Q4 2:00 | G. Joseph missed a 54-yard field goalKicks · 63% expected for him, 21 of 39 from 45+ before | +8% NO | – |
| 6 | Q4 0:22 | The Saints were stopped on 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 46% expected | +8% WAS | NO: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 0:17 | The Saints converted 4th & 33rd & 4th downs · 46% expected | +12% NO | NO: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 0:00 | The Saints’ two-point try failed3rd & 4th downs · 47% expected | +43% WAS | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Derek Carr (NO QB), out, replaced by s.rattler · 5.7 pts
- Paulson Adebo (NO CB), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Mason Tipton (NO WR), out · 0.5 pts
- Bub Means (NO WR), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Nick Saldiveri (NO G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Tyler Biadasz (WAS C), out · 0.7 pts
- Noah Brown (WAS WR), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Zane Gonzalez (WAS K), out · 0.3 pts
- Austin Seibert (WAS K), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Austin Ekeler (WAS RB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Commanders 57% · Saints 43%
- Final margin
- Commanders by 1
- Luck in points
- 5.5 for the Commanders
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Saints by 4.5
- Replay with same day's form
- Commanders 64% · Saints 36% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 15 2024 games ·
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