Week 17 2023 · December 31, 2023
Packers at Vikings, Week 17 2023: who deserved to win?
The Packers beat the Vikings 33–10, and it was no fluke: replayed with the way both teams actually played, the Packers win 10 of 10. The Vikings had the bounces: kicks alone were worth 2.0 points to the Vikings.
An off day for the Vikings: their offense and defense both played far below their usual level. In a fresh game against the Packers they would win 39% of the time; with this day’s form, 4%. The numbers
Before kickoff it was a pick’em. The biggest swing (Q2, 9:30 left): G. Joseph made 54-yard field goal, worth 9 points of win probability to the Vikings.
Final
| 33 | |
| 10 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +4 Packers about even · −4 Vikings
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Packers win 10, Vikings win 0.
- 1 GB 34 MIN 0
- 2 GB 31 MIN 3
- 3 GB 23 MIN 0
- 4 GB 34 MIN 14
- 5 GB 33 MIN 16
- 6 GB 24 MIN 10
- 7 GB 24 MIN 13
- 8 GB 15 MIN 7
- 9 GB 26 MIN 21
- 10 GB 19 MIN 17
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
An off day for the Vikings
Their offense and defense both played far below their usual level. In a fresh game against the Packers they would win 39% of the time; with this day’s form, 4%.
Same teams, fresh game
Replay with same day's form
35 points apart for the Vikings: the gap is how differently this game went from what the two teams usually are.
| Unit | This game | Usual level | Better or worse than usual |
|---|---|---|---|
| Packers offenseEPA per play gained | +0.22 | +0.10 | better by 0.12 |
| Packers defenseEPA per play allowed | −0.22 | +0.12 | better by 0.34 |
| Vikings offenseEPA per play gained | −0.22 | +0.10 | worse by 0.33 |
| Vikings defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.22 | +0.09 | worse by 0.14 |
EPA (expected points added) per play on competitive snaps, turnovers left out because they are valued as luck. Usual level: the team’s earlier games this season plus half of last season, pulled toward the league average. One team’s defense and the other team’s offense are the same snaps, so one game can’t fully say whose day it was; it shows how far this one was from both teams’ norms.
How 4,000 replays ended
Packers win 96% of them, Vikings 4%. The line is what actually happened: Packers by 23.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Packers by 17+ | 64.2% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 21.9% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 9.7% |
| Level after regulation | 0.3% |
| Vikings by 1–8 | 3.0% |
| Vikings by 9–16 | 0.9% |
| Vikings by 17+ | 0.1% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Packers by 23. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Packers by 23.8.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- A. Carlson, 34 yds made · 94% expected
- G. Joseph, 54 yds made · 63% expected
- A. Carlson, 37 yds made · 92% expected
- Extra point missed · 95% expected
When it happened
Vikings’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 65%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 14:14 | The Packers were stopped on 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 37% expected | +4% MIN | GB: Punt |
| 2 | Q1 9:01 | The Packers converted 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 55% expected | +8% GB | GB: Field goal |
| 3 | Q1 6:53 | The Packers were stopped on 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 34% expected | +4% MIN | GB: Field goal |
| 4 | Q1 6:04 | The Vikings threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 46% expected to stay out of the defense's hands | +5% GB | MIN: Punt |
| 5 | Q1 2:41 | The Vikings were stopped on 3rd & 43rd & 4th downs · 43% expected | +4% GB | MIN: Punt |
| 6 | Q2 13:24 | The Packers were stopped on 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 76% expected | +4% MIN | GB: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q2 9:30 | G. Joseph made 54-yard field goalKicks · 63% expected for him, 18 of 33 from 45+ before | +9% MIN | MIN: Punt |
| 8 | Q2 0:32 | The Vikings fumbled and the Packers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +6% GB | MIN: End of half |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Byron Murphy (MIN CB), out · 1.1 pts
- T.J. Hockenson (MIN TE), out (IR) · 1.0 pts
- D.J. Wonnum (MIN LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Jaire Alexander (GB CB), out (IR) · 0.9 pts
- Christian Watson (GB WR), out · 0.7 pts
- De'Vondre Campbell (GB LB), out · 0.5 pts
- Luke Musgrave (GB TE), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
- Eric Stokes (GB CB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Packers 100% · Vikings 0%
- Final margin
- Packers by 23
- Luck in points
- 0.8 for the Vikings
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Packers by 23.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Packers 96% · Vikings 4% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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