Week 17 2023 · December 31, 2023
Rams at Giants, Week 17 2023: who deserved to win?
The Rams beat the Giants 26–25, and it was no fluke: replayed with the way both teams actually played, the Rams win 9 of 10. The Giants had the bounces: fumble bounces alone were worth 3.1 points to the Giants.
Before kickoff the Rams were 67% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 3:49 left): Return touchdown by the Giants, worth 38 points of win probability to the Giants.
Final
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Replay with same day's form
Luck index +12 Rams about even · −12 Giants
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Rams win 9, Giants win 1.
- 1 LA 59 NYG 24
- 2 LA 31 NYG 6
- 3 LA 40 NYG 20
- 4 LA 23 NYG 6
- 5 LA 31 NYG 17
- 6 LA 27 NYG 16
- 7 LA 29 NYG 20
- 8 LA 15 NYG 10
- 9 LA 25 NYG 23
- 10 LA 23 NYG 30
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Rams win 88% of them, Giants 12%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Rams by 1.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Rams by 17+ | 49.6% |
| Rams by 9–16 | 20.2% |
| Rams by 1–8 | 16.8% |
| Level after regulation | 1.9% |
| Giants by 1–8 | 7.1% |
| Giants by 9–16 | 3.0% |
| Giants by 17+ | 1.4% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Rams by 1. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Giants by 6.5.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- M. Crosby, 31 yds made · 95% expected
- M. Crosby, 32 yds made · 94% expected
- M. Crosby, 54 yds missed · 64% expected
- Extra point missed · 93% expected
- Extra point missed · 93% expected
- Extra point missed · 93% expected
When it happened
Giants’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 63%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 8:43 | The Rams were stopped on 4th & 33rd & 4th downs · 52% expectedP. Nacua dropped a catchable passDrops · 5 drops on 112 catchable balls before this | +15% NYG | LA: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q3 10:52 | The Rams converted 3rd & 43rd & 4th downs · 46% expected | +18% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q4 11:21 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Daniel Bellinger), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 6 flags in 1452 snaps before, position avg 1 per 286 | +27% LA | LA: Punt |
| 4 | Q4 5:55 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +11% LA | LA: Opp touchdown |
| 5 | Q4 3:49 | Return touchdown by the GiantsSpecial teams | +38% NYG | NYG: Opp touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 3:27 | The Giants’ two-point try failed3rd & 4th downs · 47% expectedEncroachment on the Rams, 1 yardsPre-snap flags | +17% LA | NYG: Missed field goal |
| 7 | Q4 1:17 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Darnay Holmes), 10 yardsJudgment calls · 17 flags in 1708 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +14% LA | LA: End of game |
| 8 | Q4 0:35 | M. Crosby missed 54-yard field goalKicks · 64% expected for him, 22 of 29 from 45+ before | +36% LA | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Deonte Banks (NYG CB), out · 0.6 pts
- Randy Bullock (NYG K), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Alaric Jackson (LA T), out · 0.6 pts
- Alex Ward (LA LS), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Rams 26% · Giants 74%
- Final margin
- Rams by 1
- Luck in points
- 7.5 for the Rams
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Giants by 6.5
- Replay with same day's form
- Rams 88% · Giants 12% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 17 2023 games ·
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