Week 17 2023 · December 31, 2023
Rams at Giants, Week 17 2023: who deserved to win?
The Rams beat the Giants 26–25, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Rams win 9 of 10. The Giants had the bounces: drops alone were worth 14 points of win probability to the Giants.
Before kickoff the Rams were 67% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 3:49 left): Return touchdown by the Giants, worth 38 points of win probability to the Giants.
Final
| 26 | |
| 25 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +15 Rams about even · −15 Giants
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Rams win 9, Giants win 1.
- 1 LA 60 NYG 25
- 2 LA 29 NYG 3
- 3 LA 37 NYG 16
- 4 LA 29 NYG 12
- 5 LA 19 NYG 6
- 6 LA 20 NYG 10
- 7 LA 20 NYG 12
- 8 LA 25 NYG 20
- 9 LA 31 NYG 29
- 10 LA 20 NYG 27
Your call
Did the Rams earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Rams win 85% of them, Giants 15%, counting the 1% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Rams by 1.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Rams by 17+ | 47.9% |
| Rams by 9–16 | 19.1% |
| Rams by 1–8 | 17.6% |
| Level after regulation | 1.5% |
| Giants by 1–8 | 8.5% |
| Giants by 9–16 | 4.1% |
| Giants by 17+ | 1.4% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- M. Crosby, 31 yds made · 95% expected
- M. Crosby, 32 yds made · 94% expected
- M. Crosby, 54 yds missed · 65% expected
- Extra point missed · 94% expected
- Extra point missed · 94% expected
- Extra point missed · 94% expected
Penalties: Rams 3 for 28 yards, Giants 7 for 65 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 0:17 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Daniel Bellinger), 10 yards | +3% LA +0.9 pts |
| Q2 1:44 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Giants, 10 yards | +4% LA +1.0 pts |
| Q2 1:19 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Rams (Jordan Fuller), 13 yards | +4% NYG +0.9 pts |
| Q2 0:04 | Leaping on the Rams (Ben Skowronek), 14 yards | +7% NYG +0.6 pts |
| Q4 14:15 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards | +7% LA +1.3 pts |
| Q4 12:14 | Defensive Holding on the Giants (Cordale Flott), 5 yards | +1% LA +0.4 pts |
| Q4 11:21 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Daniel Bellinger), 10 yards, wiping out the play | +27% LA +5.0 pts |
| Q4 5:55 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +11% LA +2.3 pts |
| Q4 3:27 | Encroachment on the Rams, 1 yard · pre-snap | +6% LA 0.0 pts |
| Q4 1:17 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Darnay Holmes), 10 yards | +14% LA +0.6 pts |
Rams penalties, every game · Giants penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Giants’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 63%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 8:43 | P. Nacua dropped a catchable passDrops · 5 drops on 112 catchable balls before this | +15% NYG | LA: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q2 0:04 | Leaping on the Rams (Ben Skowronek), 14 yardsJudgment calls · 8 flags in 1711 snaps before, position avg 1 per 420 | +7% NYG | NYG: Field goal |
| 3 | Q4 11:21 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Daniel Bellinger), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 6 flags in 1452 snaps before, position avg 1 per 286 | +27% LA | LA: Punt |
| 4 | Q4 5:55 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +11% LA | LA: Opp touchdown |
| 5 | Q4 3:49 | Return touchdown by the GiantsSpecial teams | +38% NYG | NYG: Opp touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 3:27 | The Giants’ two-point try failed3rd & 4th downs · 47% expectedEncroachment on the Rams, 1 yardPre-snap flags | +17% LA | NYG: Missed field goal |
| 7 | Q4 1:17 | Offensive Holding on the Giants (Darnay Holmes), 10 yardsJudgment calls · 17 flags in 1708 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +14% LA | LA: End of game |
| 8 | Q4 0:35 | M. Crosby missed a 54-yard field goalKicks · 65% expected for him, 22 of 29 from 45+ before | +37% LA | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Deonte Banks (NYG CB), out · 0.6 pts
- Randy Bullock (NYG K), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Alaric Jackson (LA T), out · 0.6 pts
- Alex Ward (LA LS), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Rams 58% · Giants 42%
- Final margin
- Rams by 1
- Luck in points
- 0.7 for the Rams
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Rams by 0.3
- Replay with same day's form
- Rams 85% · Giants 15% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 17 2023 games ·
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