Week 8 2019 · October 27, 2019
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Packers at Chiefs, Week 8 2019: who deserved to win?
The Packers beat the Chiefs 31–24, but the replays call it close to a coin flip: with the way both teams played, the Packers win 4 of 10. Luck ran their way: injuries alone were worth 18 points of win probability to the Packers.
Before kickoff the Packers were 64% favorites. The biggest swing (Q1, 10:24 left): the Packers converted 3rd & 9, worth 11 points of win probability to the Packers.
Final
| 31 | |
| 24 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +58 Packers lucky · −58 Chiefs
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Packers win 4, Chiefs win 6.
- 1 GB 40 KC 20
- 2 GB 16 KC 3
- 3 GB 13 KC 6
- 4 GB 20 KC 17
- 5 GB 10 KC 13
- 6 GB 17 KC 23
- 7 GB 14 KC 23
- 8 GB 12 KC 25
- 9 GB 20 KC 38
- 10 GB 10 KC 34
Your call
Did the Packers earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Packers win 42% of them, Chiefs 58%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Packers by 7.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Packers by 17+ | 7.6% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 12.9% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 20.0% |
| Level after regulation | 2.7% |
| Chiefs by 1–8 | 26.8% |
| Chiefs by 9–16 | 15.2% |
| Chiefs by 17+ | 14.8% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- H. Butker, 50 yds missed · 69% expected
- H. Butker, 28 yds made · 97% expected
- M. Crosby, 35 yds made · 93% expected
Penalties: Packers 4 for 25 yards, Chiefs 3 for 30 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 11:26 | Delay of Game on the Packers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% KC +0.6 pts |
| Q1 10:39 | Defensive Offside on the Chiefs (Alex Okafor), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q1 9:39 | Offensive Holding on the Packers, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +8% KC +2.9 pts |
| Q1 2:09 | Illegal Double-Team Block on the Chiefs (Blake Bell), 10 yards | +2% GB +0.9 pts |
| Q2 10:11 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Chiefs (Damien Wilson), 15 yards | +4% GB +0.8 pts |
| Q3 3:18 | Delay of Game on the Packers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% KC +0.9 pts |
| Q4 9:09 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Packers, 5 yards | +7% KC +2.1 pts |
Packers penalties, every game · Chiefs penalties, every game · All teams, 2019
When it happened
Chiefs’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 73%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 10:24 | The Packers converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 32% expected | +11% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 9:39 | Offensive Holding on the Packers, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +8% KC | KC: Punt |
| 3 | Q3 7:25 | The Packers converted 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 30% expected | +10% GB | GB: Field goal |
| 4 | Q3 2:15 | The Packers were stopped on 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 30% expected | +8% KC | GB: Field goal |
| 5 | Q3 1:24 | The Chiefs fumbled and the Packers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +8% GB | KC: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 14:05 | The Packers converted 3rd & 13rd & 4th downs · 69% expected | +7% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 9:09 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Packers, 5 yardsJudgment calls | +7% KC | KC: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 7:16 | The Chiefs converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 34% expected | +7% KC | KC: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Patrick Mahomes (KC QB), out, replaced by m.moore · 7.1 pts
- Eric Fisher (KC T), out · 1.3 pts
- Frank Clark (KC DE), out · 0.8 pts
- Chris Jones (KC DT), out · 0.8 pts
- Kendall Fuller (KC CB), out · 0.6 pts
- Andrew Wylie (KC G), out · 0.3 pts
- Davante Adams (GB WR), out · 1.4 pts
- Lane Taylor (GB G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Raven Greene (GB FS), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Packers 69% · Chiefs 31%
- Final margin
- Packers by 7
- Luck in points
- 10.9 for the Packers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Chiefs by 3.9
- Replay with same day's form
- Packers 42% · Chiefs 58% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2019 games ·
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