Week 8 2019 · October 27, 2019
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Giants at Lions, Week 8 2019: who deserved to win?
The Lions beat the Giants 31–26, but it was a coin flip: replayed with the way both teams played, the Lions win 5 of 10. Luck ran their way: 3rd & 4th downs alone were worth 3.1 points to the Lions.
Before kickoff the Lions were 68% favorites. The biggest swing (Q1, 7:20 left): Return touchdown by the Lions, worth 29 points of win probability to the Lions.
Final
| 26 | |
| 31 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +50 Lions lucky · −50 Giants
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Giants win 5, Lions win 5.
- 1 NYG 37 DET 14
- 2 NYG 34 DET 21
- 3 NYG 38 DET 28
- 4 NYG 20 DET 15
- 5 NYG 9 DET 7
- 6 NYG 16 DET 18
- 7 NYG 24 DET 29
- 8 NYG 12 DET 21
- 9 NYG 14 DET 27
- 10 NYG 17 DET 37
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Giants win 50% of them, Lions 50%, counting the 5% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Lions by 5.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Giants by 17+ | 10.4% |
| Giants by 9–16 | 14.6% |
| Giants by 1–8 | 22.4% |
| Level after regulation | 5.0% |
| Lions by 1–8 | 22.8% |
| Lions by 9–16 | 13.7% |
| Lions by 17+ | 10.9% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Lions by 5. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Lions by 6.0.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- M. Prater, 53 yds missed · 71% expected
- M. Prater, 52 yds made · 71% expected
- Extra point missed · 95% expected
When it happened
Lions’ chance of winning
Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 9:25 | The Lions converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 32% expected | +8% DET | DET: Turnover |
| 2 | Q1 7:20 | The Giants fumbled and the Lions recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50Return touchdown by the LionsSpecial teams | +29% DET | NYG: Punt |
| 3 | Q1 2:39 | The Lions converted 3rd & 153rd & 4th downs · 20% expected | +7% DET | DET: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 4:45 | The Giants converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 34% expected | +11% NYG | NYG: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q2 4:39 | The Giants missed an extra pointKicks · extra points are made about 94% of the time | +8% DET | NYG: End of half |
| 6 | Q3 12:35 | The Lions converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 30% expected | +8% DET | DET: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q3 1:03 | Defensive Holding on the Lions, 5 yardsJudgment calls | +8% NYG | NYG: Punt |
| 8 | Q3 0:38 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +11% DET | DET: Touchdown |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Darius Slay (DET CB), out · 1.1 pts
- Kerryon Johnson (DET RB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Sterling Shepard (NYG WR), out · 0.6 pts
- Ryan Connelly (NYG LB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Giants 25% · Lions 75%
- Final margin
- Lions by 5
- Luck in points
- 1.0 for the Giants
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Lions by 6.0
- Replay with same day's form
- Giants 50% · Lions 50% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2019 games ·
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