Week 15 2023 · December 17, 2023
Buccaneers at Packers, Week 15 2023: who deserved to win?
The Buccaneers beat the Packers 34–20 and were the better team on the day: replayed with the same form, they win 8 of 10. The Packers had the bounces: fumble bounces alone were worth 1.6 points to the Packers.
An off day for the Packers: their defense played far below its usual level. In a fresh game against the Buccaneers they would win 55% of the time; with this day’s form, 25%. The numbers
Before kickoff the Packers were 62% favorites. The biggest swing (Q1, 2:28 left): the Packers were stopped on 4th & 2, worth 12 points of win probability to the Buccaneers.
Final
| 34 | |
| 20 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +25 Buccaneers about even · −25 Packers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Buccaneers win 8, Packers win 2.
- 1 TB 34 GB 7
- 2 TB 28 GB 10
- 3 TB 26 GB 13
- 4 TB 28 GB 17
- 5 TB 31 GB 23
- 6 TB 19 GB 13
- 7 TB 27 GB 23
- 8 TB 23 GB 21
- 9 TB 14 GB 17
- 10 TB 14 GB 27
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
An off day for the Packers
Their defense played far below its usual level. In a fresh game against the Buccaneers they would win 55% of the time; with this day’s form, 25%.
Same teams, fresh game
Replay with same day's form
30 points apart for the Packers: the gap is how differently this game went from what the two teams usually are.
| Unit | This game | Usual level | Better or worse than usual |
|---|---|---|---|
| Buccaneers offenseEPA per play gained | +0.50 | +0.04 | better by 0.46 |
| Buccaneers defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.12 | +0.11 | worse by 0.01 |
| Packers offenseEPA per play gained | +0.12 | +0.09 | better by 0.02 |
| Packers defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.50 | +0.10 | worse by 0.39 |
EPA (expected points added) per play on competitive snaps, turnovers left out because they are valued as luck. Usual level: the team’s earlier games this season plus half of last season, pulled toward the league average. One team’s defense and the other team’s offense are the same snaps, so one game can’t fully say whose day it was; it shows how far this one was from both teams’ norms.
How 4,000 replays ended
Buccaneers win 75% of them, Packers 25%, counting the 4% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Buccaneers by 14.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Buccaneers by 17+ | 23.4% |
| Buccaneers by 9–16 | 22.3% |
| Buccaneers by 1–8 | 26.3% |
| Level after regulation | 4.1% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 14.9% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 6.5% |
| Packers by 17+ | 2.4% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Buccaneers by 14. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Buccaneers by 9.7.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- C. McLaughlin, 39 yds made · 88% expected
- A. Carlson, 36 yds made · 91% expected
- C. McLaughlin, 46 yds made · 77% expected
- A. Carlson, 33 yds made · 94% expected
When it happened
Packers’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 68%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 2:28 | The Packers were stopped on 4th & 23rd & 4th downs · 53% expected | +12% TB | GB: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 1:48 | The Buccaneers fumbled and the Packers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +8% GB | TB: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 12:26 | The Buccaneers converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 37% expected | +9% TB | TB: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q3 13:42 | The Buccaneers converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 38% expected | +8% TB | TB: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q3 12:17 | The Buccaneers converted 3rd & 123rd & 4th downs · 25% expected | +8% TB | TB: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q3 8:52 | The Packers fumbled and recovered it themselvesFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +8% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q3 7:57 | The Packers converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 32% expected | +10% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q3 4:26 | The Packers converted 3rd & 143rd & 4th downs · 23% expected | +11% GB | GB: Touchdown |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Jaire Alexander (GB CB), out · 0.9 pts
- Christian Watson (GB WR), out · 0.7 pts
- Luke Musgrave (GB TE), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
- Carlton Davis (TB CB), out · 0.8 pts
- Devin White (TB LB), out · 0.6 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Buccaneers 95% · Packers 5%
- Final margin
- Buccaneers by 14
- Luck in points
- 4.3 for the Buccaneers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Buccaneers by 9.7
- Replay with same day's form
- Buccaneers 75% · Packers 25% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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