Week 8 2023 · October 29, 2023
Saints at Colts, Week 8 2023: who deserved to win?
The Saints beat the Colts 38–27, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Saints win 9 of 10.
Before kickoff the Saints were 56% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 0:30 left): A. Pierce dropped a catchable pass, worth 10 points of win probability to the Saints.
Final
| 38 | |
| 27 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +5 Saints about even · −5 Colts
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Saints win 9, Colts win 1.
- 1 NO 51 IND 13
- 2 NO 36 IND 6
- 3 NO 51 IND 27
- 4 NO 36 IND 17
- 5 NO 31 IND 16
- 6 NO 11 IND 0
- 7 NO 26 IND 17
- 8 NO 19 IND 14
- 9 NO 22 IND 20
- 10 NO 22 IND 29
Your call
Did the Saints earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Saints win 95% of them, Colts 5%, counting the 1% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Saints by 11.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Saints by 17+ | 65.6% |
| Saints by 9–16 | 19.1% |
| Saints by 1–8 | 9.4% |
| Level after regulation | 0.9% |
| Colts by 1–8 | 3.9% |
| Colts by 9–16 | 0.8% |
| Colts by 17+ | 0.3% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- M. Gay, 20 yds made · 100% expected
- M. Gay, 42 yds made · 88% expected
- B. Grupe, 27 yds made · 97% expected
Penalties: Saints 8 for 73 yards, Colts 6 for 30 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 7:21 | Delay of Game on the Colts, 5 yards · pre-snap | +4% NO +1.3 pts |
| Q1 7:05 | Illegal Formation on the Saints (Bryan Bresee), 5 yards · pre-snap | +5% IND +1.1 pts |
| Q1 2:25 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Saints (Marshon Lattimore), 28 yards | +6% IND +1.4 pts |
| Q2 12:25 | Face Mask on the Saints (Carl Granderson), 6 yards | +3% IND +0.9 pts |
| Q2 11:02 | False Start on the Saints, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% IND +0.9 pts |
| Q2 7:50 | Defensive Holding on the Colts (Dayo Odeyingbo), 5 yards | +2% NO +0.7 pts |
| Q2 7:21 | Offensive Holding on the Colts, 10 yards | +2% NO +1.2 pts |
| Q3 11:05 | False Start on the Colts (Josh Downs), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% NO +0.8 pts |
| Q4 11:12 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Colts, 0 yards | +1% NO +0.4 pts |
| Q4 11:12 | False Start on the Saints, 4 yards · pre-snap | +1% IND +0.9 pts |
| Q4 9:44 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Saints (Tyrann Mathieu), 15 yards | +1% NO +0.6 pts |
| Q4 5:22 | False Start on the Colts, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% NO +0.6 pts |
| Q4 3:05 | False Start on the Saints, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% IND +0.6 pts |
| Q4 3:05 | False Start on the Saints (Juwan Johnson), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% IND +0.5 pts |
Saints penalties, every game · Colts penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Colts’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 80%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 11:26 | M. Thomas dropped a catchable passDrops · 0 drops on 55 catchable balls before this | +5% IND | NO: Punt |
| 2 | Q1 7:02 | The Colts converted 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 65% expected | +5% IND | IND: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 2:25 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Saints (Marshon Lattimore), 28 yardsJudgment calls · 25 flags in 3740 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +6% IND | IND: Field goal |
| 4 | Q2 13:25 | The Colts converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 28% expected | +6% IND | IND: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q2 5:03 | The Colts converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 32% expected | +6% IND | IND: Field goal |
| 6 | Q2 2:00 | The Colts converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 36% expected | +5% IND | IND: Field goal |
| 7 | Q2 0:30 | A. Pierce dropped a catchable passDrops · 2 drops on 73 catchable balls before this | +10% NO | IND: Field goal |
| 8 | Q3 4:02 | The Colts threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · defenses catch 49% of interception-worthy throws | +7% NO | IND: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Braden Smith (IND T), out · 1.0 pts
- Dallis Flowers (IND CB), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Julius Brents (IND CB), out · 0.4 pts
- Grover Stewart (IND DT), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Kylen Granson (IND TE), out · 0.3 pts
- James Hurst (NO T), out · 0.6 pts
- Marcus Maye (NO FS), out · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Saints 100% · Colts 0%
- Final margin
- Saints by 11
- Luck in points
- 4.2 for the Colts
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Saints by 15.2
- Replay with same day's form
- Saints 95% · Colts 5% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2023 games ·
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