Week 8 2023 · October 29, 2023
Ravens at Cardinals, Week 8 2023: who deserved to win?
The Ravens beat the Cardinals 31–24 and were the better team on the day: replayed with the same form, they win 7 of 10. The Cardinals had the bounces: kicks alone were worth 3.2 points to the Cardinals.
Before kickoff the Ravens were 76% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 12:00 left): J. Tucker missed 53-yard field goal, worth 9 points of win probability to the Cardinals.
Final
| 31 | |
| 24 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +35 Ravens lucky · −35 Cardinals
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Ravens win 7, Cardinals win 3.
- 1 BAL 32 ARI 6
- 2 BAL 29 ARI 9
- 3 BAL 37 ARI 23
- 4 BAL 20 ARI 10
- 5 BAL 30 ARI 23
- 6 BAL 20 ARI 16
- 7 BAL 25 ARI 23
- 8 BAL 16 ARI 19
- 9 BAL 20 ARI 29
- 10 BAL 5 ARI 23
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Ravens win 65% of them, Cardinals 35%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Ravens by 7.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Ravens by 17+ | 20.8% |
| Ravens by 9–16 | 19.1% |
| Ravens by 1–8 | 23.5% |
| Level after regulation | 2.2% |
| Cardinals by 1–8 | 17.6% |
| Cardinals by 9–16 | 10.4% |
| Cardinals by 17+ | 6.2% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Ravens by 7. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Ravens by 7.8.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Tucker, 53 yds missed · 74% expected
- J. Tucker, 48 yds made · 81% expected
- M. Prater, 47 yds made · 80% expected
When it happened
Cardinals’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 73%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 13:57 | Illegal Contact on the Ravens (Kyle Hamilton), 5 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 3 flags in 1390 snaps before, position avg 1 per 462 | +7% ARI | ARI: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 8:42 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Ravens (Marlon Humphrey), 18 yardsJudgment calls · 26 flags in 4297 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +7% ARI | ARI: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 6:24 | The Ravens converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 30% expected | +5% BAL | BAL: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q1 0:08 | The Cardinals were stopped on 3rd & 13rd & 4th downs · 71% expected | +5% BAL | ARI: Turnover on downs |
| 5 | Q2 13:35 | The Ravens converted 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 53% expected | +7% BAL | BAL: Missed field goal |
| 6 | Q2 12:53 | The Ravens fumbled and recovered it themselvesFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +7% BAL | BAL: Missed field goal |
| 7 | Q2 12:00 | J. Tucker missed 53-yard field goalKicks · 74% expected for him, 45 of 59 from 45+ before | +9% ARI | BAL: Punt |
| 8 | Q2 8:58 | The Cardinals were stopped on 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 70% expected | +7% BAL | ARI: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Zach Ertz (ARI TE), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
- Kei'Trel Clark (ARI CB), out · 0.4 pts
- James Conner (ARI RB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Elijah Wilkinson (ARI G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Kevin Strong (ARI NT), out · 0.2 pts
- Marcus Williams (BAL FS), out · 0.4 pts
- Ar'Darius Washington (BAL FS), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Ravens 89% · Cardinals 11%
- Final margin
- Ravens by 7
- Luck in points
- 0.8 for the Cardinals
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Ravens by 7.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Ravens 65% · Cardinals 35% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2023 games ·
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