Week 8 2023 · October 29, 2023
Eagles at Commanders, Week 8 2023: who deserved to win?
The Eagles beat the Commanders 38–31, but it was a coin flip: replayed with the way both teams played, the Eagles win 4 of 10. Luck ran their way: judgment calls alone were worth 8.7 points to the Eagles.
Before kickoff the Eagles were 70% favorites. The biggest swing (Q3, 10:21 left): Defensive Pass Interference on the Commanders (Benjamin St-Juste), 31 yards, worth 18 points of win probability to the Eagles.
Final
| 38 | |
| 31 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +59 Eagles lucky · −59 Commanders
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Eagles win 4, Commanders win 6.
- 1 PHI 35 WAS 13
- 2 PHI 42 WAS 31
- 3 PHI 30 WAS 24
- 4 PHI 19 WAS 17
- 5 PHI 24 WAS 26
- 6 PHI 16 WAS 21
- 7 PHI 17 WAS 25
- 8 PHI 16 WAS 28
- 9 PHI 20 WAS 37
- 10 PHI 12 WAS 38
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Eagles win 41% of them, Commanders 59%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Eagles by 7.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Eagles by 17+ | 9.2% |
| Eagles by 9–16 | 13.0% |
| Eagles by 1–8 | 17.8% |
| Level after regulation | 2.9% |
| Commanders by 1–8 | 24.6% |
| Commanders by 9–16 | 16.5% |
| Commanders by 17+ | 16.2% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Eagles by 7. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Eagles by 0.8.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Elliott, 51 yds made · 72% expected
- J. Slye, 61 yds made · 54% expected
When it happened
Commanders’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 88%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q3 10:21 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Commanders (Benjamin St-Juste), 31 yardsJudgment calls · 9 flags in 1559 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +18% PHI | PHI: Turnover |
| 2 | Q3 10:16 | The Eagles fumbled and the Commanders recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +10% WAS | PHI: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q3 5:38 | The Eagles converted 4th & 43rd & 4th downs · 47% expected | +10% PHI | PHI: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q3 4:22 | The Eagles converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 36% expected | +14% PHI | PHI: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q4 12:06 | The Commanders converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 26% expected | +16% WAS | WAS: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 8:10 | The Commanders threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 46% expected to stay out of the defense's handsUnnecessary Roughness on the Commanders (John Bates), 8 yardsJudgment calls · 4 flags in 1485 snaps before, position avg 1 per 286 | +9% PHI | WAS: Turnover on downs |
| 7 | Q4 4:23 | The Commanders were stopped on 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 31% expectedT. McLaurin dropped a catchable passDrops · 3 drops on 126 catchable balls before this | +9% PHI | WAS: Turnover on downs |
| 8 | Q4 4:18 | The Commanders were stopped on 4th & 83rd & 4th downs · 30% expected | +7% PHI | WAS: Turnover on downs |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Cody Barton (WAS LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Darrick Forrest (WAS FS), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Saahdiq Charles (WAS G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Quez Watkins (PHI WR), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Cam Jurgens (PHI G), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Avonte Maddox (PHI CB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Justin Evans (PHI FS), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Eagles 51% · Commanders 49%
- Final margin
- Eagles by 7
- Luck in points
- 6.2 for the Eagles
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Eagles by 0.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Eagles 41% · Commanders 59% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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