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Week 8 2023 · October 29, 2023

Browns at Seahawks, Week 8 2023: who deserved to win?

The Seahawks beat the Browns 24–20, but it was a coin flip: replayed with the way both teams played, the Seahawks win 4 of 10. Luck ran their way: fumble bounces alone were worth 3.1 points to the Seahawks.

Before kickoff the Seahawks were 62% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 2:04 left): the Browns were intercepted on a well-placed throw, worth 52 points of win probability to the Seahawks.

Final

Cleveland Browns 20
Seattle Seahawks 24

October 29, 2023 · Lumen Field · Closing line: Seahawks −4

Luck index +57 Seahawks lucky · −57 Browns

Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works

Ten replays. Browns win 6, Seahawks win 4.

  1. 1 CLE 30 SEA 7
  2. 2 CLE 23 SEA 7
  3. 3 CLE 36 SEA 23
  4. 4 CLE 30 SEA 21
  5. 5 CLE 27 SEA 21
  6. 6 CLE 27 SEA 24
  7. 7 CLE 24 SEA 27
  8. 8 CLE 24 SEA 33
  9. 9 CLE 16 SEA 30
  10. 10 CLE 3 SEA 26

Three other ways to ask

Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.

The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.

The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.

Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.

How 4,000 replays ended

Browns win 57% of them, Seahawks 43%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Seahawks by 4.

Show as a table
Final margin in the replaysShare of replays
Browns by 17+16.0%
Browns by 9–1617.0%
Browns by 1–823.2%
Level after regulation2.7%
Seahawks by 1–817.9%
Seahawks by 9–1614.1%
Seahawks by 17+9.2%

Where the luck was

Take the luck out

The final margin was Seahawks by 4. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Seahawks by 6.0.

Each row takes one kind of luck out of the margin. Color shows which team it helped. Luck shares are the fitted ones (how much of each component is luck).

The kicks

How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.

  • J. Myers, 32 yds made · 95% expected
  • D. Hopkins, 25 yds made · 98% expected
  • D. Hopkins, 27 yds made · 98% expected
Bar: expected chance of a make. Filled dot: made. Open dot: missed or blocked.

When it happened

Seahawks’ chance of winning

As low as 19% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.

nflfastR’s in-game win probability. It ignores the betting line, so it starts near even. Shaded above the middle while the Seahawks were ahead in it, below while the Browns were.
#WhenWhat happenedWin probability forNext drive
1 Q2 11:40 The Browns were stopped on 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 60% expectedThe Browns threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 47% expected to stay out of the defense's hands +10% SEA CLE: Touchdown
2 Q2 2:00 The Browns were stopped on 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 51% expected +7% SEA CLE: Punt
3 Q3 6:59 The Seahawks were stopped on 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 37% expectedThe Seahawks threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 45% expected to stay out of the defense's hands +13% CLE SEA: Punt
4 Q4 10:52 The Browns were stopped on 3rd & 43rd & 4th downs · 45% expected +6% SEA CLE: Punt
5 Q4 6:43 False Start on the Seahawks (Will Dissly), 6 yardsPre-snap flags · 10 flags in 2779 snaps before, position avg 1 per 286 +7% CLE CLE: Turnover
6 Q4 2:04 The Browns were stopped on 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 51% expectedThe Browns were intercepted on a well-placed throwInterceptions · 0% expected to stay out of the defense's hands +52% SEA CLE: Turnover on downs
7 Q4 0:44 Defensive Too Many Men on Field on the Browns, 5 yardsPre-snap flags +6% SEA SEA: Touchdown
8 Q4 0:38 The Browns got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · 47% expected to stay out of the defense's hands +32% CLE CLE: Turnover on downs

Missing players

Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.

  • Abraham Lucas (SEA T), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
  • Coby Bryant (SEA CB), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
  • Uchenna Nwosu (SEA LB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
  • Phil Haynes (SEA G), out · 0.2 pts
  • Nick Chubb (CLE RB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts

Adjust the assumptions

Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.

Only coin-flips re-rolled

Browns 20% · Seahawks 80%

Final margin
Seahawks by 4
Luck in points
2.0 for the Browns
Luck-adjusted margin
Seahawks by 6.0
Replay with same day's form
Browns 57% · Seahawks 43% unchanged: why
How much of each is luck?

0% treats it as skill, 100% as pure luck. The tick is our fit.

What counts

We tested momentum on 19,000 lucky breaks and found none, so it's off by default. Why

Flip a play

Force the other outcome, in this game and in every replay: a made kick becomes a miss, a stop becomes a conversion, a flag goes the other way.

About these numbers

Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.

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