Week 9 2023 · November 5, 2023
Bears at Saints, Week 9 2023: who deserved to win?
The Saints beat the Bears 24–17 and were the better team on the day: replayed with the same form, they win 7 of 10.
Before kickoff the Saints were 75% favorites. The biggest swing (Q3, 6:22 left): Offensive Holding on the Bears, 10 yards, wiping out the play, worth 14 points of win probability to the Saints.
Final
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| 24 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +29 Saints lucky · −29 Bears
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Bears win 3, Saints win 7.
- 1 CHI 34 NO 18
- 2 CHI 24 NO 16
- 3 CHI 20 NO 17
- 4 CHI 27 NO 30
- 5 CHI 10 NO 15
- 6 CHI 23 NO 30
- 7 CHI 9 NO 19
- 8 CHI 14 NO 28
- 9 CHI 7 NO 24
- 10 CHI 3 NO 27
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Bears win 29% of them, Saints 71%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Saints by 7.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Bears by 17+ | 3.9% |
| Bears by 9–16 | 7.6% |
| Bears by 1–8 | 15.1% |
| Level after regulation | 3.3% |
| Saints by 1–8 | 25.4% |
| Saints by 9–16 | 22.2% |
| Saints by 17+ | 22.4% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Saints by 7. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Bears by 6.8.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- C. Santos, 40 yds missed · 89% expected
- B. Grupe, 55 yds made · 65% expected
- C. Santos, 31 yds made · 96% expected
- B. Grupe, 47 yds missed · 79% expected
When it happened
Saints’ chance of winning
As low as 31% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 0:49 | The Saints converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 24% expected | +12% NO | NO: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q2 6:08 | The Saints converted 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 51% expected | +9% NO | NO: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 0:32 | C. Santos missed 40-yard field goalKicks · 89% expected for him | +9% NO | CHI: Turnover |
| 4 | Q3 13:55 | The Saints were stopped on 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 51% expectedC. Olave dropped a catchable passDrops · 5 drops on 137 catchable balls before this | +11% CHI | NO: Punt |
| 5 | Q3 11:48 | B. Grupe made 55-yard field goalKicks · 65% expected for him, 5 of 8 from 45+ before | +8% NO | NO: Punt |
| 6 | Q3 9:42 | The Bears converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 36% expected | +8% CHI | CHI: Field goal |
| 7 | Q3 6:22 | Offensive Holding on the Bears, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +14% NO | NO: Punt |
| 8 | Q4 5:14 | The Bears were stopped on 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 28% expectedThe Bears threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 46% expected to stay out of the defense's hands | +9% NO | CHI: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Tremaine Edmunds (CHI LB), out · 0.6 pts
- Nate Davis (CHI G), out · 0.4 pts
- Jaquan Brisker (CHI SS), out · 0.4 pts
- Terell Smith (CHI CB), out · 0.3 pts
- Khalil Herbert (CHI RB), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Bears 77% · Saints 23%
- Final margin
- Saints by 7
- Luck in points
- 13.8 for the Saints
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Bears by 6.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Bears 29% · Saints 71% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 9 2023 games ·
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