Week 4 2024 · September 29, 2024
Vikings at Packers, Week 4 2024: who deserved to win?
The Vikings beat the Packers 31–29, and the replays lean their way: with the same day's form, they win 7 of 10.
Before kickoff the Packers were 57% favorites. The biggest swing (Q1, 12:43 left): the Vikings converted 3rd & 14, worth 9 points of win probability to the Vikings.
Final
| 31 | |
| 29 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +26 Vikings lucky · −26 Packers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Vikings win 7, Packers win 3.
- 1 MIN 49 GB 17
- 2 MIN 33 GB 10
- 3 MIN 27 GB 10
- 4 MIN 44 GB 31
- 5 MIN 36 GB 26
- 6 MIN 29 GB 24
- 7 MIN 33 GB 31
- 8 MIN 36 GB 39
- 9 MIN 33 GB 42
- 10 MIN 19 GB 38
Your call
Did the Vikings earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Vikings win 74% of them, Packers 26%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Vikings by 2.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Vikings by 17+ | 32.0% |
| Vikings by 9–16 | 19.2% |
| Vikings by 1–8 | 21.6% |
| Level after regulation | 2.4% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 12.4% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 7.4% |
| Packers by 17+ | 4.9% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- B. Narveson, 37 yds missed · 89% expected
- B. Narveson, 49 yds missed · 66% expected
- W. Reichard, 33 yds made · 93% expected
Penalties: Vikings 7 for 55 yards, Packers 8 for 68 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 12:43 | Delay of Game on the Vikings, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q1 6:56 | False Start on the Packers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% MIN +0.7 pts |
| Q1 6:47 | Face Mask on the Packers (Edgerrin Cooper), 15 yards | +4% MIN +1.8 pts |
| Q1 5:46 | Defensive Offside on the Packers (Devonte Wyatt), 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +1% GB +0.2 pts |
| Q1 4:03 | Delay of Game on the Vikings, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q1 2:29 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Packers (Eric Stokes), 12 yards | +4% MIN +1.8 pts |
| Q1 2:25 | Defensive Holding on the Packers (Keisean Nixon), 2 yards | +1% MIN +0.3 pts |
| Q2 9:51 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Vikings (Josh Metellus), 20 yards | +4% GB +2.0 pts |
| Q2 5:55 | Offensive Holding on the Vikings, 10 yards | +1% GB +1.5 pts |
| Q2 3:13 | False Start on the Packers (Emanuel Wilson), 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% MIN +0.9 pts |
| Q2 2:52 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Vikings (Jonathan Greenard), 5 yards | 0% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q2 0:39 | Unsportsmanlike Conduct on the Packers, 14 yards | 0% MIN +1.3 pts |
| Q3 4:14 | Offensive Holding on the Packers (Tucker Kraft), 10 yards | +1% MIN +0.9 pts |
| Q3 2:22 | False Start on the Vikings, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% GB +0.6 pts |
| Q4 4:12 | False Start on the Vikings (Josh Oliver), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% GB +0.5 pts |
Vikings penalties, every game · Packers penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Packers’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 61%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 12:51 | The Vikings got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · defenses catch 56% of interception-worthy throws | +6% MIN | MIN: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 12:43 | The Vikings converted 3rd & 143rd & 4th downs · 25% expectedDelay of Game on the Vikings, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +9% MIN | MIN: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 6:56 | D. Wicks dropped a catchable passDrops · 3 drops on 51 catchable balls before thisFalse Start on the Packers, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +8% MIN | GB: Missed field goal |
| 4 | Q1 6:52 | B. Narveson missed a 37-yard field goalKicks · 89% expected for him | +7% MIN | GB: Turnover |
| 5 | Q1 6:47 | Face Mask on the Packers (Edgerrin Cooper), 15 yardsJudgment calls · 0 flags in 54 snaps before, position avg 1 per 445 | +4% MIN | MIN: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q1 2:29 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Packers (Eric Stokes), 12 yardsJudgment calls · 5 flags in 1846 snaps before, position avg 1 per 215 | +4% MIN | MIN: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q2 9:51 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Vikings (Josh Metellus), 20 yardsJudgment calls · 3 flags in 2765 snaps before, position avg 1 per 462 | +4% GB | GB: Missed field goal |
| 8 | Q4 6:20 | The Packers threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · defenses catch 56% of interception-worthy throws | +4% MIN | GB: Turnover |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Jaire Alexander (GB CB), out · 0.9 pts
- Carrington Valentine (GB CB), out · 0.5 pts
- T.J. Hockenson (MIN TE), out (IR) · 1.0 pts
- Dalton Risner (MIN G), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Vikings 15% · Packers 85%
- Final margin
- Vikings by 2
- Luck in points
- 8.3 for the Vikings
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Packers by 6.3
- Replay with same day's form
- Vikings 74% · Packers 26% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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