Week 10 2023 · November 12, 2023
Packers at Steelers, Week 10 2023: who deserved to win?
The Steelers beat the Packers 23–19, but it was a coin flip: replayed with the way both teams played, the Steelers win 5 of 10. Luck ran their way: kicks alone were worth 2.5 points to the Steelers.
Before kickoff the Steelers were 59% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 0:03 left): the Packers threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was picked, worth 37 points of win probability to the Steelers.
Final
| 19 | |
| 23 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +51 Steelers lucky · −51 Packers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Packers win 5, Steelers win 5.
- 1 GB 30 PIT 7
- 2 GB 20 PIT 7
- 3 GB 28 PIT 20
- 4 GB 17 PIT 13
- 5 GB 20 PIT 19
- 6 GB 24 PIT 27
- 7 GB 31 PIT 38
- 8 GB 14 PIT 24
- 9 GB 15 PIT 29
- 10 GB 9 PIT 30
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Packers win 51% of them, Steelers 49%, counting the 6% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Steelers by 4.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Packers by 17+ | 10.1% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 14.2% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 22.9% |
| Level after regulation | 6.4% |
| Steelers by 1–8 | 21.9% |
| Steelers by 9–16 | 15.0% |
| Steelers by 17+ | 9.5% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Steelers by 4. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Steelers by 11.4.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- C. Boswell, 42 yds made · 86% expected
- A. Carlson, 31 yds made · 96% expected
- A. Carlson, 28 yds made · 97% expected
- C. Boswell, 49 yds made · 78% expected
- C. Boswell, 35 yds made · 94% expected
- Extra point missed · 93% expected
When it happened
Steelers’ chance of winning
As low as 39% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q2 4:21 | The Packers converted 3rd & 163rd & 4th downs · 19% expected | +13% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q3 5:11 | The Packers converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 32% expected | +14% GB | GB: Field goal |
| 3 | Q4 11:53 | The Packers fumbled and recovered it themselvesFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +13% GB | GB: Punt |
| 4 | Q4 4:22 | The Packers converted 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 26% expected | +26% GB | GB: Turnover |
| 5 | Q4 3:32 | The Packers threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 48% expected to stay out of the defense's hands | +11% PIT | GB: Turnover |
| 6 | Q4 2:00 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Steelers (Calvin Austin III), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 0 flags in 284 snaps before, position avg 1 per 420 | +20% GB | GB: Turnover |
| 7 | Q4 0:17 | The Packers converted 4th & 23rd & 4th downs · 58% expected | +18% GB | GB: Turnover |
| 8 | Q4 0:03 | The Packers threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 49% expected to stay out of the defense's handsUnnecessary Roughness on the Packers, 0 yardsJudgment calls | +37% PIT | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Minkah Fitzpatrick (PIT FS), out · 0.9 pts
- Pat Freiermuth (PIT TE), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
- Cole Holcomb (PIT LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Montravius Adams (PIT NT), out · 0.1 pts
- Jaire Alexander (GB CB), out · 0.9 pts
- Quay Walker (GB LB), out · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Packers 4% · Steelers 96%
- Final margin
- Steelers by 4
- Luck in points
- 7.4 for the Packers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Steelers by 11.4
- Replay with same day's form
- Packers 51% · Steelers 49% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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