Week 11 2023 · November 19, 2023
Giants at Commanders, Week 11 2023: who deserved to win?
The Giants beat the Commanders 31–19, but the replays call it close to a coin flip: with the way both teams played, the Giants win 5 of 10. Luck ran their way: fumble bounces alone were worth 21 points of win probability to the Giants.
Before kickoff the Commanders were 71% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 0:29 left): Return touchdown by the Giants, worth 38 points of win probability to the Giants.
Final
| 31 | |
| 19 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +54 Giants lucky · −54 Commanders
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Giants win 5, Commanders win 5.
- 1 NYG 41 WAS 17
- 2 NYG 25 WAS 10
- 3 NYG 19 WAS 9
- 4 NYG 26 WAS 20
- 5 NYG 19 WAS 16
- 6 NYG 15 WAS 17
- 7 NYG 22 WAS 28
- 8 NYG 13 WAS 23
- 9 NYG 23 WAS 38
- 10 NYG 13 WAS 35
Your call
Did the Giants earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Giants win 46% of them, Commanders 54%, counting the 5% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Giants by 12.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Giants by 17+ | 10.7% |
| Giants by 9–16 | 14.1% |
| Giants by 1–8 | 20.5% |
| Level after regulation | 5.0% |
| Commanders by 1–8 | 21.2% |
| Commanders by 9–16 | 15.3% |
| Commanders by 17+ | 13.3% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Slye, 23 yds made · 98% expected
- J. Slye, 42 yds made · 85% expected
- R. Bullock, 36 yds made · 92% expected
- Extra point missed · 94% expected
Penalties: Giants 5 for 33 yards, Commanders 1 for 5 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q3 9:35 | Defensive Offside on the Giants (D.J. Davidson), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% WAS +0.6 pts |
| Q3 5:14 | Ineligible Downfield Pass on the Giants, 5 yards | +2% WAS +0.8 pts |
| Q4 3:05 | Defensive Offside on the Giants (Jihad Ward), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% WAS +2.0 pts |
| Q4 2:54 | Roughing the Passer on the Giants (Kayvon Thibodeaux), 13 yards | +2% WAS +1.3 pts |
| Q4 1:19 | Illegal Contact on the Giants (Tre Hawkins), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +30% WAS +3.8 pts |
| Q4 0:29 | False Start on the Commanders, 5 yards · pre-snap | +7% NYG +0.6 pts |
Giants penalties, every game · Commanders penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Commanders’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 65%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 7:05 | The Giants converted 3rd & 133rd & 4th downs · 21% expected | +11% NYG | NYG: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q2 8:01 | The Giants converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 29% expected | +8% NYG | NYG: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 1:32 | The Commanders missed an extra pointKicks · extra points are made about 94% of the time | +7% NYG | WAS: End of half |
| 4 | Q2 1:23 | D. Slayton dropped a catchable passDrops · 6 drops on 99 catchable balls before this | +9% WAS | NYG: Punt |
| 5 | Q3 0:51 | The Commanders fumbled and the Giants recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +12% NYG | WAS: Turnover |
| 6 | Q4 1:24 | B. Robinson dropped a catchable passDrops · 1 drops on 38 catchable balls before this | +8% NYG | WAS: Opp touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 1:19 | Illegal Contact on the Giants (Tre Hawkins), 5 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 3 flags in 340 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +30% WAS | WAS: Opp touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 0:29 | The Commanders threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · defenses catch 49% of interception-worthy throwsFalse Start on the Commanders, 5 yardsPre-snap flagsReturn touchdown by the GiantsSpecial teams | +38% NYG | WAS: End of game |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Cody Barton (WAS LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Darrick Forrest (WAS FS), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Saahdiq Charles (WAS G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Daniel Jones (NYG QB), out (IR), replaced by t.devito · 1.9 pts
- Evan Neal (NYG T), out · 0.7 pts
- Adoree' Jackson (NYG CB), out · 0.6 pts
- Darren Waller (NYG TE), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Graham Gano (NYG K), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Joshua Ezeudu (NYG G), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Shane Lemieux (NYG G), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Giants 96% · Commanders 4%
- Final margin
- Giants by 12
- Luck in points
- 1.1 for the Commanders
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Giants by 13.1
- Replay with same day's form
- Giants 46% · Commanders 54% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 11 2023 games ·
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