Week 16 2023 · December 21, 2023
Saints at Rams, Week 16 2023: who deserved to win?
The Rams beat the Saints 30–22 and were the better team on the day: replayed with the same form, they win 6 of 10. The Saints had the bounces: kicks alone were worth 3.1 points to the Saints.
Before kickoff the Rams were 62% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 1:00 left): the Saints were stopped on 4th & 5, worth 10 points of win probability to the Rams.
Final
| 22 | |
| 30 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +36 Rams lucky · −36 Saints
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Saints win 4, Rams win 6.
- 1 NO 34 LA 14
- 2 NO 33 LA 23
- 3 NO 37 LA 31
- 4 NO 32 LA 30
- 5 NO 21 LA 23
- 6 NO 19 LA 23
- 7 NO 23 LA 31
- 8 NO 21 LA 34
- 9 NO 21 LA 37
- 10 NO 17 LA 39
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Saints win 36% of them, Rams 64%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Rams by 8.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Saints by 17+ | 5.3% |
| Saints by 9–16 | 9.3% |
| Saints by 1–8 | 19.7% |
| Level after regulation | 2.3% |
| Rams by 1–8 | 26.5% |
| Rams by 9–16 | 20.3% |
| Rams by 17+ | 16.6% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Rams by 8. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Rams by 6.6.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- L. Havrisik, 20 yds made · 99% expected
- L. Havrisik, 47 yds missed · 78% expected
- L. Havrisik, 22 yds made · 98% expected
- L. Havrisik, 32 yds made · 95% expected
When it happened
Rams’ chance of winning
As low as 47% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 11:16 | The Saints were stopped on 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 35% expected | +6% LA | NO: Punt |
| 2 | Q1 8:16 | The Rams converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 40% expected | +5% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 2:32 | The Rams converted 4th & 23rd & 4th downs · 55% expected | +7% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 10:26 | L. Havrisik made 20-yard field goalKicks · 99% expected for him | +6% NO | LA: Missed field goal |
| 5 | Q2 3:57 | L. Havrisik missed 47-yard field goalKicks · 78% expected for him, 3 of 5 from 45+ before | +5% NO | LA: Punt |
| 6 | Q2 1:04 | The Saints were stopped on 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 42% expectedC. Olave dropped a catchable passDrops · 6 drops on 171 catchable balls before this | +10% LA | NO: Turnover on downs |
| 7 | Q2 1:00 | The Saints were stopped on 4th & 53rd & 4th downs · 41% expected | +10% LA | NO: End of half |
| 8 | Q3 8:38 | The Saints were stopped on 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 38% expectedThe Saints threw an interception-worthy pass, and it was pickedInterceptions · 48% expected to stay out of the defense's hands | +8% LA | NO: Turnover on downs |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Alex Ward (LA LS), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
- Ryan Ramczyk (NO T), out · 1.6 pts
- Marshon Lattimore (NO CB), out (IR) · 1.0 pts
- Michael Thomas (NO WR), out (IR) · 1.0 pts
- Marcus Maye (NO FS), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Saints 4% · Rams 96%
- Final margin
- Rams by 8
- Luck in points
- 1.3 for the Rams
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Rams by 6.7
- Replay with same day's form
- Saints 36% · Rams 64% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 16 2023 games ·
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