Week 16 2023 · December 21, 2023
Saints at Rams, Week 16 2023: who deserved to win?
The Rams beat the Saints 30–22, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Rams win 8 of 10. The Saints had the bounces: kicks alone were worth 9 points of win probability to the Saints.
Before kickoff the Rams were 62% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 1:00 left): the Saints were stopped on 4th & 5, worth 10 points of win probability to the Rams.
Final
| 22 | |
| 30 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +20 Rams about even · −20 Saints
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Saints win 2, Rams win 8.
- 1 NO 37 LA 24
- 2 NO 33 LA 30
- 3 NO 19 LA 21
- 4 NO 20 LA 24
- 5 NO 13 LA 20
- 6 NO 13 LA 23
- 7 NO 24 LA 37
- 8 NO 9 LA 26
- 9 NO 20 LA 41
- 10 NO 7 LA 37
Your call
Did the Rams earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Saints win 20% of them, Rams 80%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Rams by 8.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Saints by 17+ | 2.4% |
| Saints by 9–16 | 5.5% |
| Saints by 1–8 | 11.0% |
| Level after regulation | 2.8% |
| Rams by 1–8 | 27.8% |
| Rams by 9–16 | 21.2% |
| Rams by 17+ | 29.4% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- L. Havrisik, 20 yds made · 98% expected
- L. Havrisik, 47 yds missed · 78% expected
- L. Havrisik, 22 yds made · 98% expected
- L. Havrisik, 32 yds made · 95% expected
Penalties: Saints 3 for 20 yards, Rams 3 for 25 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 5:36 | False Start on the Rams (Davis Allen), 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% NO +0.7 pts |
| Q1 3:57 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Saints (Pete Werner), 6 yards | +4% LA +1.9 pts |
| Q2 9:37 | Offensive Holding on the Saints, 10 yards | +3% LA +1.3 pts |
| Q3 2:39 | Offensive Holding on the Rams (Tyler Higbee), 10 yards | 0% NO +1.3 pts |
| Q4 5:21 | Offensive Holding on the Rams (Davis Allen), 10 yards, wiping out the play | 0% NO +3.3 pts |
| Q4 1:16 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Saints (Cameron Jordan), 4 yards · pre-snap | 0% LA +0.7 pts |
Saints penalties, every game · Rams penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Rams’ chance of winning
As low as 47% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 8:16 | The Rams converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 42% expected | +4% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 3:57 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Saints (Pete Werner), 6 yardsJudgment calls · 4 flags in 2014 snaps before, position avg 1 per 444 | +4% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 2:32 | The Rams converted 4th & 23rd & 4th downs · 57% expected | +5% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 13:38 | The Saints were stopped on 4th & 53rd & 4th downs · 45% expected | +4% LA | NO: Punt |
| 5 | Q2 3:57 | L. Havrisik missed a 47-yard field goalKicks · 78% expected for him, 3 of 5 from 45+ before | +5% NO | LA: Punt |
| 6 | Q2 1:54 | The Rams were stopped on 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 45% expected | +4% NO | LA: Punt |
| 7 | Q2 1:04 | C. Olave dropped a catchable passDrops · 6 drops on 171 catchable balls before this | +8% LA | NO: Turnover on downs |
| 8 | Q2 1:00 | The Saints were stopped on 4th & 53rd & 4th downs · 44% expected | +10% LA | NO: End of half |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Alex Ward (LA LS), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
- Ryan Ramczyk (NO T), out · 1.6 pts
- Marshon Lattimore (NO CB), out (IR) · 1.0 pts
- Michael Thomas (NO WR), out (IR) · 1.0 pts
- Marcus Maye (NO FS), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Saints 3% · Rams 97%
- Final margin
- Rams by 8
- Luck in points
- 1.7 for the Rams
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Rams by 6.3
- Replay with same day's form
- Saints 20% · Rams 80% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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