Week 3 2020 · September 27, 2020
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Panthers at Chargers, Week 3 2020: who deserved to win?
The Panthers beat the Chargers 21–16, but the replays call it close to a coin flip: with the way both teams played, the Panthers win 6 of 10. Luck ran their way: fumble bounces alone were worth 25 points of win probability to the Panthers.
Before kickoff the Chargers were 67% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 2:00 left): Offensive Pass Interference on the Chargers (Mike Williams), 10 yards, wiping out the play, worth 17 points of win probability to the Panthers.
Final
| 21 | |
| 16 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +41 Panthers lucky · −41 Chargers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Panthers win 6, Chargers win 4.
- 1 CAR 23 LAC 0
- 2 CAR 31 LAC 13
- 3 CAR 33 LAC 20
- 4 CAR 33 LAC 24
- 5 CAR 24 LAC 20
- 6 CAR 19 LAC 17
- 7 CAR 20 LAC 23
- 8 CAR 16 LAC 22
- 9 CAR 25 LAC 38
- 10 CAR 13 LAC 34
Your call
Did the Panthers earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Panthers win 59% of them, Chargers 41%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Panthers by 5.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Panthers by 17+ | 14.7% |
| Panthers by 9–16 | 16.3% |
| Panthers by 1–8 | 26.9% |
| Level after regulation | 3.3% |
| Chargers by 1–8 | 18.4% |
| Chargers by 9–16 | 13.1% |
| Chargers by 17+ | 7.2% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Slye, 29 yds made · 97% expected
- J. Slye, 24 yds made · 98% expected
- J. Slye, 30 yds made · 97% expected
- J. Slye, 22 yds made · 99% expected
- M. Badgley, 41 yds made · 88% expected
- J. Slye, 31 yds made · 96% expected
- Extra point missed · 96% expected
Penalties: Panthers 3 for 30 yards, Chargers 8 for 60 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 2:44 | Offensive Holding on the Chargers (Virgil Green), 10 yards | +1% CAR +0.9 pts |
| Q2 13:28 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers (Ian Thomas), 10 yards | +3% LAC +0.9 pts |
| Q2 12:19 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Chargers (Joey Bosa), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% CAR +0.7 pts |
| Q2 3:09 | Illegal Formation on the Chargers (Jerry Tillery), 5 yards · pre-snap | +7% CAR +1.9 pts |
| Q2 2:00 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Chargers (Mike Williams), 10 yards, wiping out the play | +17% CAR +4.6 pts |
| Q3 2:17 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Chargers, 10 yards | +4% CAR +1.7 pts |
| Q4 13:53 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Chargers (Joey Bosa), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% CAR +1.0 pts |
| Q4 12:12 | False Start on the Panthers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% LAC +0.8 pts |
| Q4 5:29 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Chargers, 10 yards | +4% CAR +1.6 pts |
| Q4 0:36 | Roughing the Passer on the Panthers (Yetur Gross-Matos), 15 yards | +17% LAC +1.8 pts |
| Q4 0:12 | False Start on the Chargers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +8% CAR +0.2 pts |
Panthers penalties, every game · Chargers penalties, every game · All teams, 2020
When it happened
Chargers’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 65%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 7:52 | The Chargers fumbled and the Panthers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +9% CAR | LAC: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q2 7:05 | The Chargers fumbled and the Panthers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +8% CAR | LAC: Turnover |
| 3 | Q2 3:09 | Illegal Formation on the Chargers (Jerry Tillery), 5 yardsPre-snap flags · 6 flags in 529 snaps before, position avg 1 per 262 | +7% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 2:00 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Chargers (Mike Williams), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 3 flags in 973 snaps before, position avg 1 per 385 | +17% CAR | CAR: Field goal |
| 5 | Q4 4:39 | The Chargers converted 3rd & 143rd & 4th downs · 23% expected | +9% LAC | LAC: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 0:36 | Roughing the Passer on the Panthers (Yetur Gross-Matos), 15 yardsJudgment calls · 0 flags in 18 snaps before, position avg 1 per 259 | +17% LAC | LAC: Turnover |
| 7 | Q4 0:12 | False Start on the Chargers, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +8% CAR | – |
| 8 | Q4 0:06 | The Chargers fumbled and the Panthers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +12% CAR | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Melvin Ingram (LAC DE), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
- Derwin James (LAC FS), out (IR) · 0.7 pts
- Justin Jones (LAC DT), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Drue Tranquill (LAC LB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Russell Okung (CAR T), out · 0.9 pts
- Christian McCaffrey (CAR RB), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
- Dennis Daley (CAR G), out · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Panthers 72% · Chargers 28%
- Final margin
- Panthers by 5
- Luck in points
- 1.5 for the Panthers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Panthers by 3.5
- Replay with same day's form
- Panthers 59% · Chargers 41% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
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