Week 5 2023 · October 8, 2023
Eagles at Rams, Week 5 2023: who deserved to win?
The Eagles beat the Rams 23–14, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Eagles win 8 of 10. The Rams had the bounces: fumble bounces alone were worth 9 points of win probability to the Rams.
Before kickoff the Eagles were 60% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 6:37 left): the Eagles converted 3rd & 9, worth 9 points of win probability to the Eagles.
Final
| 23 | |
| 14 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +18 Eagles about even · −18 Rams
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Eagles win 8, Rams win 2.
- 1 PHI 27 LA 3
- 2 PHI 21 LA 3
- 3 PHI 23 LA 9
- 4 PHI 28 LA 17
- 5 PHI 16 LA 7
- 6 PHI 20 LA 13
- 7 PHI 24 LA 19
- 8 PHI 28 LA 26
- 9 PHI 21 LA 24
- 10 PHI 16 LA 27
Your call
Did the Eagles earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Eagles win 82% of them, Rams 18%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Eagles by 9.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Eagles by 17+ | 26.7% |
| Eagles by 9–16 | 25.0% |
| Eagles by 1–8 | 30.8% |
| Level after regulation | 1.8% |
| Rams by 1–8 | 10.8% |
| Rams by 9–16 | 4.0% |
| Rams by 17+ | 0.9% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Elliott, 34 yds made · 95% expected
- J. Elliott, 26 yds made · 98% expected
- J. Elliott, 26 yds made · 98% expected
Penalties: Eagles 3 for 35 yards, Rams 5 for 48 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q2 0:17 | Horse Collar Tackle on the Rams (Derion Kendrick), 14 yards | +6% PHI +1.5 pts |
| Q2 0:07 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Rams (Derion Kendrick), 13 yards | +8% PHI +0.8 pts |
| Q3 15:00 | Ineligible Downfield Pass on the Rams, 5 yards | +3% PHI +0.9 pts |
| Q3 13:52 | Face Mask on the Eagles (Zach Cunningham), 15 yards | +4% LA +1.8 pts |
| Q3 11:23 | Intentional Grounding on the Rams (Matthew Stafford), 11 yards | +3% PHI +1.0 pts |
| Q3 7:04 | Horse Collar Tackle on the Eagles (Reed Blankenship), 15 yards | +9% LA +1.7 pts |
| Q4 6:21 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Rams, 5 yards | +1% PHI +0.9 pts |
| Q4 6:21 | Delay of Game on the Eagles, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% LA +0.7 pts |
Eagles penalties, every game · Rams penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Rams’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 70%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 6:10 | The Rams converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 33% expected | +7% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 2:04 | The Rams converted 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 45% expected | +8% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 14:56 | The Eagles converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 33% expected | +7% PHI | PHI: Punt |
| 4 | Q2 6:37 | The Eagles converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 33% expected | +9% PHI | PHI: Field goal |
| 5 | Q2 0:38 | The Rams converted 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 29% expected | +9% LA | LA: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q2 0:07 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Rams (Derion Kendrick), 13 yardsJudgment calls · 6 flags in 782 snaps before, position avg 1 per 216 | +8% PHI | PHI: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q3 7:04 | Horse Collar Tackle on the Eagles (Reed Blankenship), 15 yardsJudgment calls · 2 flags in 717 snaps before, position avg 1 per 462 | +9% LA | LA: Punt |
| 8 | Q3 2:12 | The Eagles converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 38% expected | +7% PHI | PHI: Field goal |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Joseph Noteboom (LA T), out · 0.4 pts
- Fletcher Cox (PHI DT), out · 0.6 pts
- Cam Jurgens (PHI G), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Avonte Maddox (PHI CB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Eagles 95% · Rams 5%
- Final margin
- Eagles by 9
- Luck in points
- 0.4 for the Eagles
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Eagles by 8.6
- Replay with same day's form
- Eagles 82% · Rams 18% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 5 2023 games ·
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