Week 2 2024 · September 15, 2024
Seahawks at Patriots, Week 2 2024: who deserved to win?
The Seahawks beat the Patriots 23–20, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Seahawks win 9 of 10. The Patriots had the bounces: drops alone were worth 16 points of win probability to the Patriots.
Before kickoff the Seahawks were 60% favorites. The biggest swing (OT, 6:14 left): the Seahawks converted 3rd & 6, worth 17 points of win probability to the Seahawks.
Final (OT)
| 23 | |
| 20 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +11 Seahawks about even · −11 Patriots
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Seahawks win 9, Patriots win 1.
- 1 SEA 34 NE 3
- 2 SEA 27 NE 3
- 3 SEA 33 NE 12
- 4 SEA 17 NE 0
- 5 SEA 23 NE 10
- 6 SEA 24 NE 14
- 7 SEA 13 NE 6
- 8 SEA 19 NE 14
- 9 SEA 21 NE 18
- 10 SEA 16 NE 23
Your call
Did the Seahawks earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Seahawks win 89% of them, Patriots 11%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Seahawks by 3.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Seahawks by 17+ | 49.1% |
| Seahawks by 9–16 | 21.2% |
| Seahawks by 1–8 | 18.1% |
| Level after regulation | 1.7% |
| Patriots by 1–8 | 6.6% |
| Patriots by 9–16 | 2.7% |
| Patriots by 17+ | 0.6% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Slye, 29 yds made · 96% expected
- J. Slye, 28 yds made · 97% expected
- J. Myers, 44 yds made · 83% expected
- J. Slye, 48 yds blocked · 74% expected
- J. Myers, 38 yds made · 91% expected
- J. Myers, 31 yds made · 96% expected
Penalties: Seahawks 6 for 50 yards, Patriots 3 for 42 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q2 5:56 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Patriots (Marco Wilson), 12 yards | +7% SEA +2.0 pts |
| Q2 5:11 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Seahawks (Devon Witherspoon), 10 yards | +4% NE +1.0 pts |
| Q2 3:48 | Illegal Contact on the Seahawks (Devon Witherspoon), 5 yards | +2% NE +0.8 pts |
| Q2 2:10 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Seahawks, 15 yards | +4% NE +1.4 pts |
| Q3 11:32 | False Start on the Seahawks, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% NE +0.9 pts |
| Q3 9:38 | Offensive Holding on the Patriots, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +10% SEA +2.8 pts |
| Q4 11:22 | Offensive Holding on the Seahawks (AJ Barner), 10 yards, wiping out the play | +13% NE +2.3 pts |
| Q4 0:58 | Delay of Game on the Seahawks, 5 yards · pre-snap | +7% NE +0.4 pts |
| OT 7:01 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Patriots (Jonathan Jones), 20 yards | +15% SEA +1.3 pts |
Seahawks penalties, every game · Patriots penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Patriots’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 86%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q3 9:38 | Offensive Holding on the Patriots, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +10% SEA | SEA: Punt |
| 2 | Q4 11:22 | Offensive Holding on the Seahawks (AJ Barner), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 0 flags in 41 snaps before, position avg 1 per 280 | +13% NE | NE: Missed field goal |
| 3 | Q4 3:59 | J. Slye had a 48-yard field goal blockedKicks · 74% expected for him, 39 of 58 from 45+ before | +9% SEA | NE: Punt |
| 4 | Q4 2:35 | The Seahawks converted 3rd & 13rd & 4th downs · 73% expected | +10% SEA | SEA: Field goal |
| 5 | Q4 1:43 | The Seahawks were stopped on 3rd & 13rd & 4th downs · 73% expected | +12% NE | SEA: Field goal |
| 6 | OT 8:38 | The Patriots were stopped on 3rd & 13rd & 4th downs · 73% expected | +15% SEA | NE: Punt |
| 7 | OT 7:01 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Patriots (Jonathan Jones), 20 yardsJudgment calls · 10 flags in 3815 snaps before, position avg 1 per 215 | +15% SEA | SEA: Field goal |
| 8 | OT 6:14 | The Seahawks converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 37% expected | +17% SEA | SEA: Field goal |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Sidy Sow (NE T), out · 0.4 pts
- Cole Strange (NE G), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Christian Barmore (NE DT), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Abraham Lucas (SEA T), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
- Kenneth Walker III (SEA RB), out · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Seahawks 75% · Patriots 25%
- Final margin
- Seahawks by 3
- Luck in points
- 1.0 for the Patriots
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Seahawks by 4.0
- Replay with same day's form
- Seahawks 89% · Patriots 11% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 2 2024 games ·
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