Week 8 2024 · October 27, 2024
Eagles at Bengals, Week 8 2024: who deserved to win?
The Eagles beat the Bengals 37–17, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Eagles win 9 of 10.
An off day for the Bengals: their defense played far below its usual level. In a fresh game against the Eagles they would win 52% of the time; with this day’s form, 7%. The numbers
Before kickoff the Bengals were 57% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 5:13 left): E. McPherson missed a 54-yard field goal, worth 10 points of win probability to the Eagles.
Final
| 37 | |
| 17 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +7 Eagles about even · −7 Bengals
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Eagles win 9, Bengals win 1.
- 1 PHI 31 CIN 0
- 2 PHI 27 CIN 3
- 3 PHI 41 CIN 21
- 4 PHI 33 CIN 17
- 5 PHI 27 CIN 14
- 6 PHI 34 CIN 24
- 7 PHI 24 CIN 16
- 8 PHI 16 CIN 10
- 9 PHI 19 CIN 17
- 10 PHI 9 CIN 14
Your call
Did the Eagles earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
An off day for the Bengals
Their defense played far below its usual level. In a fresh game against the Eagles they would win 52% of the time; with this day’s form, 7%.
Same teams, fresh game
Replay with same day's form
45 points apart for the Bengals: the gap is how differently this game went from what the two teams usually are.
| Unit | This game | Usual level | Better or worse than usual |
|---|---|---|---|
| Eagles offenseEPA per play gained | +0.35 | +0.14 | better by 0.21 |
| Eagles defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.15 | +0.09 | worse by 0.06 |
| Bengals offenseEPA per play gained | +0.15 | +0.12 | better by 0.02 |
| Bengals defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.35 | +0.13 | worse by 0.22 |
EPA (expected points added) per play on competitive snaps, turnovers left out because they are valued as luck. Usual level: the team’s earlier games this season plus half of last season, pulled toward the league average. One team’s defense and the other team’s offense are the same snaps, so one game can’t fully say whose day it was; it shows how far this one was from both teams’ norms.
How 4,000 replays ended
Eagles win 93% of them, Bengals 7%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Eagles by 20.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Eagles by 17+ | 51.2% |
| Eagles by 9–16 | 23.9% |
| Eagles by 1–8 | 16.9% |
| Level after regulation | 1.7% |
| Bengals by 1–8 | 4.7% |
| Bengals by 9–16 | 1.4% |
| Bengals by 17+ | 0.3% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- J. Elliott, 39 yds made · 90% expected
- E. McPherson, 27 yds made · 98% expected
- E. McPherson, 54 yds missed · 68% expected
- J. Elliott, 49 yds made · 73% expected
- J. Elliott, 47 yds made · 78% expected
Penalties: Eagles 4 for 40 yards, Bengals 1 for 3 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 0:18 | Offensive Holding on the Eagles, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +5% CIN +1.6 pts |
| Q2 2:03 | False Start on the Eagles (DeVonta Smith), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% CIN +0.6 pts |
| Q2 2:00 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Eagles, 15 yards | +5% CIN +1.4 pts |
| Q2 1:24 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Bengals (Cam Taylor-Britt), 3 yards | +2% PHI +1.3 pts |
| Q4 2:24 | Offensive Holding on the Eagles, 10 yards | 0% CIN +0.9 pts |
Eagles penalties, every game · Bengals penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Bengals’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 81%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 11:43 | The Bengals converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 31% expected | +8% CIN | CIN: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 6:29 | The Bengals converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 37% expected | +5% CIN | CIN: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 13:05 | The Bengals got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · defenses catch 56% of interception-worthy throws | +6% CIN | CIN: Field goal |
| 4 | Q2 12:59 | The Bengals converted 3rd & 223rd & 4th downs · 17% expected | +9% CIN | CIN: Field goal |
| 5 | Q2 11:24 | The Bengals converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 35% expected | +5% CIN | CIN: Field goal |
| 6 | Q2 5:13 | E. McPherson missed a 54-yard field goalKicks · 68% expected for him, 41 of 55 from 45+ before | +10% PHI | CIN: End of half |
| 7 | Q2 1:44 | The Eagles converted 3rd & 163rd & 4th downs · 24% expected | +9% PHI | PHI: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q3 13:40 | The Eagles converted 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 46% expected | +6% PHI | PHI: Touchdown |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Tee Higgins (CIN WR), out · 1.0 pts
- Trent Brown (CIN T), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Daxton Hill (CIN CB), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Dallas Goedert (PHI TE), out · 1.0 pts
- Jordan Mailata (PHI T), out (IR) · 0.8 pts
- James Bradberry (PHI CB), out (IR) · 0.7 pts
- Mekhi Becton (PHI T), out · 0.6 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Eagles 99% · Bengals 1%
- Final margin
- Eagles by 20
- Luck in points
- 3.8 for the Eagles
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Eagles by 16.2
- Replay with same day's form
- Eagles 93% · Bengals 7% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2024 games ·
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