Week 8 2024 · October 27, 2024
Panthers at Broncos, Week 8 2024: who deserved to win?
The Broncos beat the Panthers 28–14, and the replays lean their way: with the same day's form, they win 8 of 10.
Before kickoff the Broncos were 83% favorites.
Final
| 14 | |
| 28 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +21 Broncos about even · −21 Panthers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Panthers win 2, Broncos win 8.
- 1 CAR 30 DEN 17
- 2 CAR 16 DEN 13
- 3 CAR 24 DEN 26
- 4 CAR 29 DEN 34
- 5 CAR 10 DEN 19
- 6 CAR 3 DEN 14
- 7 CAR 16 DEN 30
- 8 CAR 6 DEN 23
- 9 CAR 3 DEN 24
- 10 CAR 3 DEN 30
Your call
Did the Broncos earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Panthers win 21% of them, Broncos 79%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Broncos by 14.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Panthers by 17+ | 1.9% |
| Panthers by 9–16 | 5.9% |
| Panthers by 1–8 | 12.3% |
| Level after regulation | 2.1% |
| Broncos by 1–8 | 25.9% |
| Broncos by 9–16 | 21.4% |
| Broncos by 17+ | 30.4% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
Penalties: Panthers 8 for 49 yards, Broncos 4 for 43 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 8:54 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards | +1% DEN +1.4 pts |
| Q2 11:48 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards | +3% DEN +0.9 pts |
| Q2 10:06 | Offensive Holding on the Broncos, 8 yards | +3% CAR +0.7 pts |
| Q2 2:22 | Defensive Holding on the Panthers (Shy Tuttle), 4 yards | +1% DEN +1.4 pts |
| Q2 1:03 | False Start on the Panthers, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% DEN +0.2 pts |
| Q3 9:41 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +3% DEN +2.4 pts |
| Q3 6:02 | Delay of Game on the Panthers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% DEN +0.8 pts |
| Q3 5:32 | Roughing the Passer on the Broncos (Zach Allen), 15 yards | +1% CAR +1.8 pts |
| Q3 5:32 | Delay of Game on the Panthers, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% DEN +0.7 pts |
| Q4 10:10 | False Start on the Broncos, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% DEN +0.9 pts |
| Q4 0:55 | Roughing the Passer on the Broncos (Malcolm Roach), 15 yards | 0% CAR +1.7 pts |
| Q4 0:18 | Kickoff Out of Bounds on the Panthers, 0 yards · pre-snap | 0% DEN 0.0 pts |
Panthers penalties, every game · Broncos penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Broncos’ chance of winning
As low as 29% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 13:50 | The Broncos fumbled and the Panthers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +6% CAR | DEN: Punt |
| 2 | Q1 10:58 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 48% expected | +4% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 7:15 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 26% expected | +6% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q1 4:21 | The Broncos converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 33% expected | +5% DEN | DEN: Punt |
| 5 | Q1 0:34 | The Panthers were stopped on 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 34% expected | +7% DEN | CAR: Punt |
| 6 | Q2 12:34 | The Broncos converted 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 43% expected | +6% DEN | DEN: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q2 4:52 | The Panthers were stopped on 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 57% expected | +4% DEN | CAR: Turnover on downs |
| 8 | Q2 4:46 | The Panthers were stopped on 4th & 23rd & 4th downs · 58% expected | +6% DEN | CAR: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- P.J. Locke (DEN FS), out · 0.4 pts
- Alex Palczewski (DEN T), out · 0.3 pts
- Alex Singleton (DEN LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Josh Reynolds (DEN WR), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Luke Wattenberg (DEN C), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Andy Dalton (CAR QB), out, replaced by b.young · 2.7 pts
- Diontae Johnson (CAR WR), out · 1.0 pts
- Adam Thielen (CAR WR), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Jordan Fuller (CAR FS), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Austin Corbett (CAR C), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Shaq Thompson (CAR LB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Nick Scott (CAR SS), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Panthers 1% · Broncos 99%
- Final margin
- Broncos by 14
- Luck in points
- 4.6 for the Broncos
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Broncos by 9.4
- Replay with same day's form
- Panthers 21% · Broncos 79% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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