Week 8 2024 · October 27, 2024
Packers at Jaguars, Week 8 2024: who deserved to win?
The Packers beat the Jaguars 30–27, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Packers win 9 of 10.
An off day for the Jaguars: they played far below what the matchup promised. In a fresh game against the Packers they would win 40% of the time; with this day’s form, 10%. The numbers
Before kickoff the Packers were 60% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 2:12 left): the Jaguars converted 3rd & 5, worth 12 points of win probability to the Jaguars.
Final
| 30 | |
| 27 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +10 Packers about even · −10 Jaguars
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Packers win 9, Jaguars win 1.
- 1 GB 40 JAX 7
- 2 GB 34 JAX 10
- 3 GB 43 JAX 22
- 4 GB 44 JAX 26
- 5 GB 28 JAX 14
- 6 GB 30 JAX 19
- 7 GB 28 JAX 20
- 8 GB 36 JAX 31
- 9 GB 30 JAX 27
- 10 GB 26 JAX 33
Your call
Did the Packers earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
An off day for the Jaguars
They played far below what the matchup promised. In a fresh game against the Packers they would win 40% of the time; with this day’s form, 10%.
Same teams, fresh game
Replay with same day's form
30 points apart for the Jaguars: the gap is how differently this game went from what the two teams usually are.
| Unit | This game | Usual level | Better or worse than usual |
|---|---|---|---|
| Packers offenseEPA per play gained | +0.18 | +0.15 | better by 0.03 |
| Packers defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.21 | +0.08 | worse by 0.13 |
| Jaguars offenseEPA per play gained | +0.21 | +0.08 | better by 0.13 |
| Jaguars defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.18 | +0.12 | worse by 0.06 |
EPA (expected points added) per play on competitive snaps, turnovers left out because they are valued as luck. Usual level: the team’s earlier games this season plus half of last season, pulled toward the league average. One team’s defense and the other team’s offense are the same snaps, so one game can’t fully say whose day it was; it shows how far this one was from both teams’ norms.
How 4,000 replays ended
Packers win 90% of them, Jaguars 10%, counting the 1% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Packers by 3.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Packers by 17+ | 54.1% |
| Packers by 9–16 | 19.7% |
| Packers by 1–8 | 15.8% |
| Level after regulation | 1.0% |
| Jaguars by 1–8 | 6.1% |
| Jaguars by 9–16 | 2.4% |
| Jaguars by 17+ | 0.9% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- B. McManus, 31 yds made · 96% expected
- B. McManus, 38 yds made · 91% expected
- C. Little, 39 yds made · 90% expected
- C. Little, 47 yds made · 79% expected
- B. McManus, 24 yds made · 99% expected
Penalties: Packers 3 for 20 yards, Jaguars 8 for 59 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 12:20 | Offensive Holding on the Packers, 10 yards | +3% JAX +0.9 pts |
| Q1 6:43 | False Start on the Jaguars (Gabriel Davis), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% GB +0.8 pts |
| Q1 2:47 | False Start on the Packers, 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% JAX +0.9 pts |
| Q2 15:00 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Jaguars (Travon Walker), 5 yards, wiping out the play | +1% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q2 13:18 | False Start on the Jaguars (Luke Farrell), 3 yards · pre-snap | +1% GB +0.6 pts |
| Q2 11:41 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Jaguars (Montaric Brown), 21 yards | +7% GB +2.7 pts |
| Q2 8:04 | Illegal Shift on the Packers (Christian Watson), 5 yards, wiping out the play · pre-snap | +4% JAX +1.2 pts |
| Q2 2:50 | Illegal Motion on the Jaguars, 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% GB +1.2 pts |
| Q2 1:12 | Defensive Delay of Game on the Jaguars (DaVon Hamilton), 5 yards · pre-snap | +10% GB +1.9 pts |
| Q3 9:15 | False Start on the Jaguars, 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% GB +0.7 pts |
| Q3 0:21 | Illegal Block Above the Waist on the Jaguars (Daniel Thomas), 10 yards | +1% GB +0.9 pts |
Packers penalties, every game · Jaguars penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Jaguars’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 73%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 12:20 | The Packers were stopped on 3rd & 33rd & 4th downs · 57% expectedOffensive Holding on the Packers, 10 yardsJudgment calls | +7% JAX | GB: Punt |
| 2 | Q1 8:34 | J. Reed dropped a catchable passDrops · 5 drops on 110 catchable balls before this | +7% JAX | GB: Punt |
| 3 | Q2 11:41 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Jaguars (Montaric Brown), 21 yardsJudgment calls · 3 flags in 1055 snaps before, position avg 1 per 215 | +7% GB | GB: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 1:18 | The Packers were stopped on 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 46% expected | +6% JAX | GB: Field goal |
| 5 | Q2 1:12 | Defensive Delay of Game on the Jaguars (DaVon Hamilton), 5 yardsPre-snap flags · 4 flags in 2247 snaps before, position avg 1 per 316 | +10% GB | GB: Field goal |
| 6 | Q4 14:55 | The Jaguars fumbled and the Packers recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +7% GB | JAX: Punt |
| 7 | Q4 2:12 | The Jaguars converted 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 42% expected | +12% JAX | JAX: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 2:00 | The Jaguars got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · defenses catch 56% of interception-worthy throws | +11% JAX | JAX: Touchdown |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Cam Robinson (JAX T), out · 0.9 pts
- Travis Etienne (JAX RB), out · 0.3 pts
- Quay Walker (GB LB), out · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Packers 76% · Jaguars 24%
- Final margin
- Packers by 3
- Luck in points
- 0.1 for the Jaguars
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Packers by 3.1
- Replay with same day's form
- Packers 90% · Jaguars 10% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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