Week 8 2024 · October 27, 2024
Jets at Patriots, Week 8 2024: who deserved to win?
The Patriots beat the Jets 25–22, a result the replays rarely give: with the way both teams actually played, the Jets win 9 of 10. Luck ran their way: 3rd & 4th downs alone were worth 25 points of win probability to the Patriots.
Before kickoff the Jets were 70% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 1:29 left): the Patriots converted 3rd & 10, worth 33 points of win probability to the Patriots.
Final
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Replay with same day's form
Luck index +86 Patriots very lucky · −86 Jets
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Jets win 9, Patriots win 1.
- 1 NYJ 26 NE 0
- 2 NYJ 24 NE 3
- 3 NYJ 27 NE 10
- 4 NYJ 27 NE 13
- 5 NYJ 21 NE 9
- 6 NYJ 17 NE 9
- 7 NYJ 23 NE 17
- 8 NYJ 20 NE 17
- 9 NYJ 13 NE 12
- 10 NYJ 10 NE 16
Your call
Did the Patriots earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Jets win 86% of them, Patriots 14%, counting the 1% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Patriots by 3.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Jets by 17+ | 35.7% |
| Jets by 9–16 | 23.6% |
| Jets by 1–8 | 25.4% |
| Level after regulation | 1.1% |
| Patriots by 1–8 | 9.9% |
| Patriots by 9–16 | 3.5% |
| Patriots by 17+ | 0.7% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- G. Zuerlein, 29 yds made · 95% expected
- G. Zuerlein, 44 yds missed · 80% expected
- J. Slye, 23 yds made · 98% expected
- Extra point missed · 94% expected
Penalties: Jets 8 for 55 yards, Patriots 5 for 50 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 11:55 | Delay of Game on the Jets, 5 yards · pre-snap | +4% NE +0.6 pts |
| Q1 10:37 | Defensive Holding on the Jets (Jalen Mills), 5 yards | 0% NE +0.2 pts |
| Q1 6:23 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Jets (Solomon Thomas), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% NE +0.6 pts |
| Q1 3:58 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Patriots (Marcus Jones), 5 yards | 0% NYJ +0.7 pts |
| Q1 3:05 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Patriots (Christian Gonzalez), 17 yards | +8% NYJ +2.7 pts |
| Q1 1:31 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Patriots (Christian Elliss), 13 yards | +6% NYJ +2.2 pts |
| Q1 0:23 | Defensive Offside on the Jets (Javon Kinlaw), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% NE +0.4 pts |
| Q2 10:23 | Defensive Holding on the Patriots, 5 yards | +3% NYJ +0.9 pts |
| Q2 3:28 | Ineligible Downfield Pass on the Jets, 5 yards | +2% NE +0.5 pts |
| Q3 5:47 | Offensive Holding on the Patriots, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +21% NYJ +4.4 pts |
| Q3 3:51 | Offensive Holding on the Jets (Jarrick Bernard-Converse), 10 yards | +2% NE +0.9 pts |
| Q4 12:17 | Roughing the Passer on the Jets (Micheal Clemons), 15 yards | +10% NE +1.6 pts |
| Q4 2:57 | Delay of Game on the Jets, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% NE 0.0 pts |
Jets penalties, every game · Patriots penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Patriots’ chance of winning
As low as 19% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q3 5:47 | Offensive Holding on the Patriots, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +21% NYJ | NYJ: Punt |
| 2 | Q4 12:43 | G. Zuerlein missed a 44-yard field goalKicks · 80% expected for him | +15% NE | NYJ: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q4 10:20 | The Patriots converted 3rd & 113rd & 4th downs · 23% expected | +14% NE | NE: Field goal |
| 4 | Q4 9:17 | The Patriots converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 27% expected | +11% NE | NE: Field goal |
| 5 | Q4 2:00 | The Patriots converted 3rd & 93rd & 4th downs · 27% expected | +12% NE | NE: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 1:29 | The Patriots converted 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 26% expected | +33% NE | NE: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 0:25 | The Patriots converted 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 65% expected | +20% NE | NE: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 0:22 | The Patriots’ two-point try was good3rd & 4th downs · 47% expectedG. Wilson dropped a catchable passDrops · 9 drops on 271 catchable balls before this | +31% NE | NE: End of game |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Kyle Dugger (NE FS), out · 0.5 pts
- Ja'Whaun Bentley (NE LB), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
- David Andrews (NE C), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Layden Robinson (NE G), out · 0.4 pts
- Daniel Ekuale (NE DT), out · 0.3 pts
- Ja'Lynn Polk (NE WR), out · 0.3 pts
- Allen Lazard (NYJ WR), out · 0.6 pts
- Chuck Clark (NYJ SS), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Tony Adams (NYJ FS), out · 0.4 pts
- Alijah Vera-Tucker (NYJ G), out · 0.2 pts
- Jermaine Johnson II (NYJ LB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Carter Warren (NYJ T), out · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Jets 46% · Patriots 54%
- Final margin
- Patriots by 3
- Luck in points
- 2.1 for the Patriots
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Patriots by 0.9
- Replay with same day's form
- Jets 86% · Patriots 14% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 8 2024 games ·
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