Week 8 2024 · October 27, 2024
Ravens at Browns, Week 8 2024: who deserved to win?
The Browns beat the Ravens 29–24, a result the replays rarely give: with the way both teams actually played, the Ravens win 10 of 10. Luck ran their way: drops alone were worth 18 points of win probability to the Browns.
Before kickoff the Ravens were 71% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 0:03 left): the Ravens were stopped on 4th & 10, worth 23 points of win probability to the Browns.
Final
| 24 | |
| 29 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +99 Browns very lucky · −99 Ravens
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Ravens win 10, Browns win 0.
- 1 BAL 53 CLE 10
- 2 BAL 45 CLE 10
- 3 BAL 40 CLE 10
- 4 BAL 37 CLE 10
- 5 BAL 49 CLE 26
- 6 BAL 33 CLE 13
- 7 BAL 37 CLE 20
- 8 BAL 30 CLE 17
- 9 BAL 19 CLE 9
- 10 BAL 24 CLE 20
Your call
Did the Browns earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Ravens win 99% of them, Browns 1%. The line is what actually happened: Browns by 5.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Ravens by 17+ | 81.5% |
| Ravens by 9–16 | 11.8% |
| Ravens by 1–8 | 4.9% |
| Level after regulation | 0.4% |
| Browns by 1–8 | 1.1% |
| Browns by 9–16 | 0.2% |
| Browns by 17+ | 0.1% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- D. Hopkins, 28 yds made · 97% expected
- J. Tucker, 49 yds made · 77% expected
- D. Hopkins, 33 yds made · 95% expected
- J. Tucker, 50 yds missed · 75% expected
- D. Hopkins, 48 yds made · 76% expected
Penalties: Ravens 7 for 53 yards, Browns 7 for 74 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 10:20 | Offensive Holding on the Ravens, 10 yards | +2% CLE +1.2 pts |
| Q1 4:47 | Offensive Holding on the Browns, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +3% BAL +1.6 pts |
| Q2 8:52 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Ravens (Trenton Simpson), 5 yards | 0% CLE +0.3 pts |
| Q2 6:13 | False Start on the Browns, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% BAL +0.7 pts |
| Q2 3:41 | Offensive Holding on the Ravens (Trenton Simpson), 10 yards | +3% CLE +0.9 pts |
| Q2 3:30 | Offensive Holding on the Ravens, 9 yards, wiping out the play | +11% CLE +2.7 pts |
| Q2 1:20 | False Start on the Browns, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% BAL +0.5 pts |
| Q3 9:57 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Browns (Greg Newsome II), 29 yards | +9% BAL +3.1 pts |
| Q3 5:56 | False Start on the Ravens (Charlie Kolar), 5 yards · pre-snap | +3% CLE +1.0 pts |
| Q3 1:51 | Face Mask on the Browns (Mohamoud Diabate), 15 yards | +6% BAL +1.4 pts |
| Q4 13:11 | False Start on the Ravens, 5 yards · pre-snap | +6% CLE +0.8 pts |
| Q4 10:43 | Defensive Too Many Men on Field on the Browns, 5 yards · pre-snap | +4% BAL +1.0 pts |
| Q4 4:55 | Illegal Block Above the Waist on the Ravens (Charlie Kolar), 9 yards | +3% CLE +0.8 pts |
| Q4 1:08 | False Start on the Browns, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% BAL +0.5 pts |
Ravens penalties, every game · Browns penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Browns’ chance of winning
As low as 37% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 8:48 | The Ravens were stopped on 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 71% expected | +13% CLE | BAL: Field goal |
| 2 | Q2 3:30 | Offensive Holding on the Ravens, 9 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +11% CLE | CLE: Turnover |
| 3 | Q3 0:23 | The Ravens converted 3rd & 113rd & 4th downs · 29% expected | +12% BAL | BAL: Missed field goal |
| 4 | Q4 13:08 | R. Bateman dropped a catchable passDrops · 8 drops on 80 catchable balls before this | +10% CLE | BAL: Missed field goal |
| 5 | Q4 13:03 | J. Tucker missed a 50-yard field goalKicks · 75% expected for him, 56 of 75 from 45+ before | +13% CLE | BAL: Punt |
| 6 | Q4 1:18 | The Browns converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 35% expected | +13% CLE | CLE: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 1:08 | The Browns got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · defenses catch 56% of interception-worthy throwsFalse Start on the Browns, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +19% CLE | CLE: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 0:03 | The Ravens were stopped on 4th & 103rd & 4th downs · 31% expected | +23% CLE | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- James Hudson (CLE T), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Jordan Hicks (CLE LB), out · 0.3 pts
- Jerome Ford (CLE RB), out · 0.2 pts
- Charley Hughlett (CLE LS), out (IR) · 0.1 pts
- Marlon Humphrey (BAL CB), out · 1.3 pts
- Nate Wiggins (BAL CB), out · 0.3 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Ravens 70% · Browns 30%
- Final margin
- Browns by 5
- Luck in points
- 8.8 for the Browns
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Ravens by 3.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Ravens 99% · Browns 1% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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