Week 8 2020 · October 29, 2020
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Falcons at Panthers, Week 8 2020: who deserved to win?
The Falcons beat the Panthers 25–17, but the Panthers played well enough to win it: they take 6 of 10 replays with the same day's form. Luck ran their way: 3rd & 4th downs alone were worth 2.6 points to the Falcons.
Before kickoff the Panthers were 54% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 4:01 left): the Panthers were stopped on 4th & 1, worth 12 points of win probability to the Falcons.
Final
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| 17 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +63 Falcons very lucky · −63 Panthers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Falcons win 4, Panthers win 6.
- 1 ATL 31 CAR 13
- 2 ATL 28 CAR 17
- 3 ATL 34 CAR 28
- 4 ATL 29 CAR 27
- 5 ATL 17 CAR 19
- 6 ATL 38 CAR 43
- 7 ATL 13 CAR 20
- 8 ATL 6 CAR 17
- 9 ATL 2 CAR 17
- 10 ATL 14 CAR 38
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Falcons win 37% of them, Panthers 63%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Falcons by 8.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Falcons by 17+ | 5.0% |
| Falcons by 9–16 | 10.7% |
| Falcons by 1–8 | 20.5% |
| Level after regulation | 3.3% |
| Panthers by 1–8 | 30.7% |
| Panthers by 9–16 | 16.4% |
| Panthers by 17+ | 13.4% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Falcons by 8. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Falcons by 5.3.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- Y. Koo, 20 yds made · 99% expected
- Y. Koo, 37 yds made · 91% expected
- Y. Koo, 36 yds made · 92% expected
- Y. Koo, 29 yds made · 97% expected
- J. Slye, 39 yds made · 88% expected
- Extra point missed · 93% expected
When it happened
Panthers’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 82%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 4:44 | The Falcons converted 3rd & 153rd & 4th downs · 24% expectedFalse Start on the Falcons, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +7% ATL | ATL: Field goal |
| 2 | Q2 4:01 | The Panthers were stopped on 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 74% expected | +12% ATL | CAR: Turnover on downs |
| 3 | Q3 11:36 | The Panthers were stopped on 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 73% expected | +11% ATL | CAR: Field goal |
| 4 | Q3 5:33 | The Panthers converted 4th & 93rd & 4th downs · 29% expected | +12% CAR | CAR: Field goal |
| 5 | Q3 4:26 | Disqualification on the Falcons (Charles Harris), 15 yardsJudgment calls · 2 flags in 625 snaps before, position avg 1 per 259 | +9% CAR | CAR: Field goal |
| 6 | Q3 1:41 | The Falcons converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 38% expected | +8% ATL | ATL: Touchdown |
| 7 | Q4 1:47 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 183rd & 4th downs · 18% expected | +8% CAR | CAR: Turnover |
| 8 | Q4 1:04 | The Panthers were stopped on 3rd & 63rd & 4th downs · 37% expected | +8% ATL | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Russell Okung (CAR T), out · 0.9 pts
- Rasul Douglas (CAR CB), out (IR) · 0.7 pts
- Christian McCaffrey (CAR RB), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Rasul Douglas (CAR DB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Kawann Short (CAR DT), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Juston Burris (CAR S), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Darqueze Dennard (ATL CB), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Damontae Kazee (ATL S), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- John Cominsky (ATL DE), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Falcons 94% · Panthers 6%
- Final margin
- Falcons by 8
- Luck in points
- 2.7 for the Falcons
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Falcons by 5.3
- Replay with same day's form
- Falcons 37% · Panthers 63% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
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