Week 8 2020 · November 2, 2020
No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
Buccaneers at Giants, Week 8 2020: who deserved to win?
The Buccaneers beat the Giants 25–23, but it was a coin flip: replayed with the way both teams played, the Buccaneers win 5 of 10. Luck ran their way: judgment calls alone were worth 9.8 points to the Buccaneers.
The Buccaneers won on an off day: they played far below what the matchup promised. In a fresh game against the Giants they would win 81% of the time; with this day’s form, 51%. The numbers
Before kickoff the Buccaneers were 83% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 0:28 left): the Giants’ two-point try failed, worth 17 points of win probability to the Buccaneers.
Final
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Replay with same day's form
Luck index +49 Buccaneers lucky · −49 Giants
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Buccaneers win 5, Giants win 5.
- 1 TB 33 NYG 13
- 2 TB 42 NYG 30
- 3 TB 41 NYG 33
- 4 TB 29 NYG 25
- 5 TB 30 NYG 28
- 6 TB 26 NYG 28
- 7 TB 17 NYG 22
- 8 TB 10 NYG 19
- 9 TB 9 NYG 25
- 10 TB 7 NYG 32
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
The Buccaneers won on an off day
They played far below what the matchup promised. In a fresh game against the Giants they would win 81% of the time; with this day’s form, 51%.
Same teams, fresh game
Replay with same day's form
30 points apart for the Buccaneers: the gap is how differently this game went from what the two teams usually are.
| Unit | This game | Usual level | Better or worse than usual |
|---|---|---|---|
| Buccaneers offenseEPA per play gained | +0.10 | +0.17 | worse by 0.07 |
| Buccaneers defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.10 | +0.07 | worse by 0.03 |
| Giants offenseEPA per play gained | +0.10 | +0.07 | better by 0.03 |
| Giants defenseEPA per play allowed | +0.10 | +0.15 | better by 0.05 |
EPA (expected points added) per play on competitive snaps, turnovers left out because they are valued as luck. Usual level: the team’s earlier games this season plus half of last season, pulled toward the league average. One team’s defense and the other team’s offense are the same snaps, so one game can’t fully say whose day it was; it shows how far this one was from both teams’ norms.
How 4,000 replays ended
Buccaneers win 51% of them, Giants 49%, counting the 6% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Buccaneers by 2.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Buccaneers by 17+ | 11.1% |
| Buccaneers by 9–16 | 13.8% |
| Buccaneers by 1–8 | 22.4% |
| Level after regulation | 6.3% |
| Giants by 1–8 | 21.6% |
| Giants by 9–16 | 14.0% |
| Giants by 17+ | 10.8% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Buccaneers by 2. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Giants by 7.2.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- R. Succop, 37 yds made · 87% expected
- R. Succop, 40 yds made · 83% expected
- R. Succop, 43 yds made · 79% expected
- G. Gano, 33 yds made · 93% expected
- R. Succop, 38 yds made · 86% expected
When it happened
Giants’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 86%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 8:21 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +8% TB | TB: Turnover |
| 2 | Q1 7:53 | The Giants converted 3rd & 113rd & 4th downs · 26% expected | +8% NYG | NYG: Punt |
| 3 | Q1 5:02 | The Buccaneers fumbled and the Giants recoveredFumble bounces · loose balls are close to 50/50 | +8% NYG | TB: Punt |
| 4 | Q3 10:05 | R. Succop made 43-yard field goalKicks · 79% expected for him | +8% TB | TB: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q3 5:22 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Giants (Levine Toilolo), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 1 flag in 461 snaps before, position avg 1 per 276 | +9% TB | TB: Punt |
| 6 | Q4 14:55 | The Buccaneers were stopped on 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 30% expected | +8% NYG | TB: Punt |
| 7 | Q4 10:45 | The Buccaneers converted 3rd & 43rd & 4th downs · 48% expected | +8% TB | TB: Touchdown |
| 8 | Q4 0:28 | The Giants’ two-point try failed3rd & 4th downs · 47% expected | +17% TB | – |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Saquon Barkley (NYG RB), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Ryan Lewis (NYG DB), out · 0.4 pts
- Will Hernandez (NYG G), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Ryan Lewis (NYG CB), out · 0.4 pts
- Lorenzo Carter (NYG LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Devonta Freeman (NYG RB), out · 0.3 pts
- Adrian Colbert (NYG DB), out · 0.2 pts
- Tae Crowder (NYG LB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Chris Godwin (TB WR), out · 0.9 pts
- Vita Vea (TB DL), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Vita Vea (TB DT), out (IR) · 0.5 pts
- O.J. Howard (TB TE), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Buccaneers 15% · Giants 85%
- Final margin
- Buccaneers by 2
- Luck in points
- 9.2 for the Buccaneers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Giants by 7.2
- Replay with same day's form
- Buccaneers 51% · Giants 49% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting (not available for this game); injuries from snap counts and injury reports. No FTN charting for this game (drops and interception-worthy throws are not modelled).
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