Week 2 2023 · September 17, 2023
Giants at Cardinals, Week 2 2023: who deserved to win?
The Giants beat the Cardinals 31–28, and the replays back it up: with the way both teams actually played, the Giants win 8 of 10. The Cardinals had the bounces: judgment calls alone were worth 13 points of win probability to the Cardinals.
Before kickoff the Giants were 64% favorites. The biggest swing (Q4, 4:54 left): Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the play, worth 20 points of win probability to the Cardinals.
Final
| 31 | |
| 28 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +16 Giants about even · −16 Cardinals
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Giants win 8, Cardinals win 2.
- 1 NYG 40 ARI 10
- 2 NYG 37 ARI 14
- 3 NYG 28 ARI 10
- 4 NYG 31 ARI 17
- 5 NYG 27 ARI 16
- 6 NYG 27 ARI 19
- 7 NYG 19 ARI 14
- 8 NYG 23 ARI 20
- 9 NYG 24 ARI 28
- 10 NYG 21 ARI 34
Your call
Did the Giants earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Giants win 84% of them, Cardinals 16%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Giants by 3.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Giants by 17+ | 38.5% |
| Giants by 9–16 | 24.7% |
| Giants by 1–8 | 19.4% |
| Level after regulation | 1.9% |
| Cardinals by 1–8 | 10.4% |
| Cardinals by 9–16 | 4.0% |
| Cardinals by 17+ | 1.1% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- M. Prater, 55 yds missed · 69% expected
- M. Prater, 37 yds made · 92% expected
- M. Prater, 44 yds made · 84% expected
- G. Gano, 34 yds made · 96% expected
Penalties: Giants 9 for 75 yards, Cardinals 8 for 57 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 12:12 | False Start on the Giants, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% ARI +0.7 pts |
| Q1 10:52 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Giants (Xavier McKinney), 15 yards | +3% ARI +1.8 pts |
| Q1 7:52 | Defensive Too Many Men on Field on the Giants, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% ARI +0.4 pts |
| Q2 13:58 | Offensive Holding on the Cardinals (Kris Boyd), 10 yards | 0% NYG +0.7 pts |
| Q2 10:43 | Roughing the Passer on the Giants (Bobby Okereke), 15 yards | +1% ARI +1.0 pts |
| Q2 2:25 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Cardinals (Michael Wilson), 10 yards | +1% NYG +1.1 pts |
| Q3 10:51 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Giants (Bobby Okereke), 10 yards, wiping out the play | +5% ARI +5.1 pts |
| Q3 4:41 | Unnecessary Roughness on the Cardinals, 7 yards | 0% NYG +1.0 pts |
| Q3 2:13 | Illegal Block Above the Waist on the Cardinals (Marquise Brown), 10 yards | +1% NYG +0.9 pts |
| Q4 8:57 | False Start on the Giants, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% ARI +0.6 pts |
| Q4 8:51 | False Start on the Giants (Parris Campbell), 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% NYG 0.0 pts |
| Q4 8:08 | False Start on the Cardinals, 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% NYG +0.8 pts |
| Q4 4:54 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +20% ARI +2.6 pts |
| Q4 3:11 | False Start on the Cardinals, 5 yards · pre-snap | +5% NYG +0.7 pts |
| Q4 3:11 | False Start on the Cardinals, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% NYG +0.3 pts |
| Q4 0:02 | False Start on the Cardinals (Joshua Dobbs), 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% NYG +0.1 pts |
| Q4 0:02 | Defensive Delay of Game on the Giants, 5 yards · pre-snap | +2% ARI +0.1 pts |
Giants penalties, every game · Cardinals penalties, every game · All teams, 2023
When it happened
Cardinals’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 97%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 12:17 | M. Prater missed a 55-yard field goalKicks · 69% expected for him, 36 of 51 from 45+ before | +7% NYG | ARI: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 8:24 | The Cardinals converted 3rd & 73rd & 4th downs · 36% expected | +7% ARI | ARI: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q1 0:39 | The Cardinals converted 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 43% expected | +5% ARI | ARI: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q3 10:51 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Giants (Bobby Okereke), 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls · 4 flags in 3822 snaps before, position avg 1 per 444 | +5% ARI | ARI: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q4 8:51 | The Cardinals got away with an interception-worthy throwInterceptions · defenses catch 49% of interception-worthy throwsFalse Start on the Giants (Parris Campbell), 5 yardsPre-snap flags · 5 flags in 1499 snaps before, position avg 1 per 420 | +5% ARI | ARI: Punt |
| 6 | Q4 8:08 | The Cardinals were stopped on 3rd & 143rd & 4th downs · 24% expectedFalse Start on the Cardinals, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +4% NYG | ARI: Punt |
| 7 | Q4 4:54 | Offensive Holding on the Giants, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +20% ARI | ARI: Punt |
| 8 | Q4 3:11 | The Cardinals were stopped on 3rd & 163rd & 4th downs · 21% expectedFalse Start on the Cardinals, 5 yardsPre-snap flagsFalse Start on the Cardinals, 5 yardsPre-snap flags | +11% NYG | ARI: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Kyler Murray (ARI QB), out (IR), replaced by j.dobbs · 4.2 pts
- Budda Baker (ARI SS), out · 0.9 pts
- Kelvin Beachum (ARI T), out · 0.8 pts
- Leki Fotu (ARI DT), out · 0.1 pts
- Andrew Thomas (NYG T), out · 0.9 pts
- Jarrad Davis (NYG LB), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Darnay Holmes (NYG CB), out · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Giants 83% · Cardinals 17%
- Final margin
- Giants by 3
- Luck in points
- 1.2 for the Giants
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Giants by 1.8
- Replay with same day's form
- Giants 84% · Cardinals 16% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 2 2023 games ·
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