Week 3 2024 · September 22, 2024
Panthers at Raiders, Week 3 2024: who deserved to win?
The Panthers beat the Raiders 36–22, and the replays lean their way: with the same day's form, they win 7 of 10.
Before kickoff the Raiders were 66% favorites. The biggest swing (Q2, 12:54 left): the Panthers converted 3rd & 14, worth 9 points of win probability to the Panthers.
Final
| 36 | |
| 22 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +32 Panthers lucky · −32 Raiders
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Panthers win 7, Raiders win 3.
- 1 CAR 34 LV 7
- 2 CAR 27 LV 7
- 3 CAR 27 LV 13
- 4 CAR 31 LV 20
- 5 CAR 23 LV 16
- 6 CAR 29 LV 24
- 7 CAR 23 LV 21
- 8 CAR 27 LV 29
- 9 CAR 6 LV 14
- 10 CAR 23 LV 40
Your call
Did the Panthers earn it, or get lucky?
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Panthers win 68% of them, Raiders 32%, counting the 3% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Panthers by 14.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Panthers by 17+ | 19.5% |
| Panthers by 9–16 | 20.2% |
| Panthers by 1–8 | 26.3% |
| Level after regulation | 2.8% |
| Raiders by 1–8 | 17.8% |
| Raiders by 9–16 | 8.6% |
| Raiders by 17+ | 4.8% |
Where the luck was
What the luck was worth
Every lucky and unlucky play, weighted by the moment it happened: its swing in win probability, added up by kind. A missed kick in a decided game counts for nothing; the same kick at the end of a tie game can be most of a win.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- D. Carlson, 57 yds missed · 69% expected
- E. Pineiro, 43 yds made · 87% expected
- E. Pineiro, 35 yds made · 95% expected
- E. Pineiro, 26 yds made · 99% expected
Penalties: Panthers 7 for 51 yards, Raiders 6 for 54 yards
Every accepted flag, in order, and what it did to the helped team’s chance of winning at that moment, including any play it wiped out (points on the scoreboard in grey). A flag in a decided game is worth nothing; one at the turn of a close game can be worth most of a win. Judgment calls count half toward luck; pre-snap fouls, which repeat, don’t count. How calls are valued
| When | Flag | Win probability for |
|---|---|---|
| Q1 9:03 | Player Out of Bounds on Kick on the Raiders, 5 yards | +1% CAR +0.5 pts |
| Q1 8:05 | Neutral Zone Infraction on the Raiders (Janarius Robinson), 5 yards · pre-snap | +1% CAR +0.9 pts |
| Q1 2:32 | Defensive Too Many Men on Field on the Panthers, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% LV +0.3 pts |
| Q2 9:28 | Kickoff Short of Landing Zone on the Panthers, 0 yards · pre-snap | 0% LV 0.0 pts |
| Q2 5:08 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Panthers (Jaycee Horn), 15 yards | +3% LV +1.0 pts |
| Q2 1:54 | Offensive Pass Interference on the Raiders (Ameer Abdullah), 10 yards | +3% CAR +0.8 pts |
| Q2 0:19 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Panthers (Xavier Woods), 6 yards | 0% LV +0.1 pts |
| Q3 13:33 | Offensive Holding on the Raiders, 10 yards | +1% CAR +0.9 pts |
| Q3 6:49 | Illegal Use of Hands on the Panthers, 10 yards | +1% LV +1.1 pts |
| Q3 6:45 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards, wiping out the play | +2% LV +2.2 pts |
| Q4 13:46 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Raiders (Jakorian Bennett), 15 yards | 0% CAR +2.2 pts |
| Q4 9:28 | False Start on the Panthers, 5 yards · pre-snap | 0% LV +0.8 pts |
| Q4 9:22 | Offensive Holding on the Raiders (Isaiah Pola-Mao), 9 yards | 0% CAR +0.8 pts |
Panthers penalties, every game · Raiders penalties, every game · All teams, 2024
When it happened
Raiders’ chance of winning
As low as 0% and as high as 61%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 13:39 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 61% expected | +3% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q1 0:59 | The Raiders converted 3rd & 43rd & 4th downs · 37% expected | +6% LV | LV: Touchdown |
| 3 | Q2 12:54 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 143rd & 4th downs · 22% expected | +9% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 4 | Q2 9:33 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 53rd & 4th downs · 34% expected | +5% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 5 | Q2 6:56 | The Raiders were stopped on 4th & 43rd & 4th downs · 47% expected | +6% CAR | LV: Punt |
| 6 | Q2 5:08 | Defensive Pass Interference on the Panthers (Jaycee Horn), 15 yardsJudgment calls · 5 flags in 1419 snaps before, position avg 1 per 215 | +3% LV | LV: Punt |
| 7 | Q2 3:44 | The Raiders were stopped on 3rd & 23rd & 4th downs · 61% expected | +5% CAR | LV: Punt |
| 8 | Q2 0:44 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 83rd & 4th downs · 32% expected | +7% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Divine Deablo (LV LB), out · 0.4 pts
- Malcolm Koonce (LV DE), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
- Derrick Brown (CAR DT), out (IR) · 0.6 pts
- Shy Tuttle (CAR DT), out · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Panthers 95% · Raiders 5%
- Final margin
- Panthers by 14
- Luck in points
- 5.7 for the Panthers
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Panthers by 8.3
- Replay with same day's form
- Panthers 68% · Raiders 32% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
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