Week 12 2023 · November 26, 2023
Panthers at Titans, Week 12 2023: who deserved to win?
The Titans beat the Panthers 17–10, and it was no fluke: replayed with the way both teams actually played, the Titans win 9 of 10. The Panthers had the bounces: 3rd & 4th downs alone were worth 3.0 points to the Panthers.
Before kickoff the Titans were 60% favorites. The biggest swing (Q1, 6:25 left): the Titans converted 4th & 1, worth 9 points of win probability to the Titans.
Final
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| 17 |
Replay with same day's form
Luck index +11 Titans about even · −11 Panthers
Each team’s own plays from this game, resampled into new drives 4,000 times: with the way both teams actually played, how often does this performance win? How the replay works
Ten replays. Panthers win 1, Titans win 9.
- 1 CAR 18 TEN 13
- 2 CAR 10 TEN 12
- 3 CAR 10 TEN 13
- 4 CAR 14 TEN 20
- 5 CAR 17 TEN 26
- 6 CAR 17 TEN 28
- 7 CAR 13 TEN 27
- 8 CAR 14 TEN 31
- 9 CAR 3 TEN 24
- 10 CAR 14 TEN 42
Three other ways to ask
Each answers a different question, so none of them replaces the replay above.
Before kickoff
The closing betting line, turned into a probability. What everyone knew before the game.
Same teams, fresh game
The line plus what this game showed, weighted by how much one game can tell. It stays close to the line because one game says little.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Every kick, fumble bounce, drop, conversion and judgment call redrawn; everything else fixed. The narrowest view of luck.
How 4,000 replays ended
Panthers win 11% of them, Titans 89%, counting the 2% still level after regulation as half each. The line is what actually happened: Titans by 7.
Show as a table
| Final margin in the replays | Share of replays |
|---|---|
| Panthers by 17+ | 0.7% |
| Panthers by 9–16 | 2.5% |
| Panthers by 1–8 | 7.8% |
| Level after regulation | 1.6% |
| Titans by 1–8 | 20.3% |
| Titans by 9–16 | 26.6% |
| Titans by 17+ | 40.5% |
Where the luck was
Take the luck out
The final margin was Titans by 7. Remove the luck, one kind at a time, and it becomes Titans by 4.7.
The kicks
How likely each kicker was to make that kick (his own record, the distance and the weather), and what happened.
- E. Pineiro, 50 yds made · 71% expected
- N. Folk, 53 yds made · 64% expected
When it happened
Titans’ chance of winning
As low as 45% and as high as 100%. Numbers mark the biggest luck moments, listed below.
| # | When | What happened | Win probability for | Next drive |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Q1 6:25 | The Titans converted 4th & 13rd & 4th downs · 72% expected | +9% TEN | TEN: Touchdown |
| 2 | Q2 10:16 | The Panthers converted 4th & 33rd & 4th downs · 47% expected | +9% CAR | CAR: Field goal |
| 3 | Q2 8:59 | The Panthers were stopped on 3rd & 183rd & 4th downs · 16% expectedM. Sanders dropped a catchable passDrops · 3 drops on 47 catchable balls before this | +8% TEN | CAR: Field goal |
| 4 | Q2 4:23 | The Panthers converted 3rd & 103rd & 4th downs · 24% expected | +7% CAR | CAR: Turnover |
| 5 | Q3 8:09 | The Panthers converted 4th & 23rd & 4th downs · 48% expected | +7% CAR | CAR: Touchdown |
| 6 | Q4 12:23 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +8% TEN | TEN: Punt |
| 7 | Q4 11:45 | The Panthers were stopped on 3rd & 163rd & 4th downs · 17% expectedA. Thielen dropped a catchable passDrops · 5 drops on 168 catchable balls before this | +9% TEN | CAR: Punt |
| 8 | Q4 8:21 | Offensive Holding on the Panthers, 10 yards, wiping out the playJudgment calls | +7% TEN | TEN: Punt |
Missing players
Key players (usually on the field for half the snaps or more) who missed this game or part of it, valued by position and quality. The same players are missing in every replay, so this counts as luck in points only.
- Nicholas Petit-Frere (TEN T), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- Treylon Burks (TEN WR), out · 0.2 pts
- Hayden Hurst (CAR TE), out · 0.4 pts
- Jeremy Chinn (CAR FS), out (IR) · 0.4 pts
- C.J. Henderson (CAR CB), out · 0.4 pts
- Austin Corbett (CAR G), out (IR) · 0.3 pts
- Yetur Gross-Matos (CAR LB), out (IR) · 0.2 pts
Adjust the assumptions
Disagree with how much of a fumble bounce or a pass interference call is luck? Change it and the coin-flip replay reruns in your browser.
Only coin-flips re-rolled
Panthers 18% · Titans 82%
- Final margin
- Titans by 7
- Luck in points
- 2.3 for the Titans
- Luck-adjusted margin
- Titans by 4.7
- Replay with same day's form
- Panthers 11% · Titans 89% unchanged: why
About these numbers
Play-by-play and win probability from nflfastR via nflverse; kicks valued against each kicker’s own record; drops and interception-worthy throws from FTN charting; injuries from snap counts and injury reports.
Methodology and validation · All Week 12 2023 games ·
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